Correct. So we have the start of the solution somewhere up there ^
Was there much investigation into the icosahedron? Apologies for being lazy and not just rereading the original thread but itâs been a long day
According to wikipedia (long time since maths education), âeach has 30 edges and 20 equilateral triangle faces with five meeting at each of its twelve vertices.â Does that correspond or relate to any of the ideas which were being floated?
Nah, it was delivered to Funcom but we didnât look much into it. The thread had lost itâs momentum at that point. And we donât even know if it belongs to the puzzle!
So i ran down the Sentence:
âTo unlock the truths
of the void one must
off set themselfs
from the tenements
of known realityâ
Through Ceasarâs Cipher and did not come on to any results.
Tried the same for the Sentence spelled out by the files:
âUnlock the truth of the voidâ but again, Nothing.
Also tried to offset the word âThemselfsâ using only the characters of "Tenements"
But atlas no interesting spoopyness happening there.
The decoder tries to âoffsetâ every single letter by 1+ and does so for the whole sequence,
All the way up until it reaches the beginning, So if A+1 = B and so forth.
Also ran the sentence through Base 64 decoding, No results
ASCII, UTF-8, CP1256, IS-8859 1,2,6, and 15 also yielded youâve guessed it, No results
Will keep prodding! Its difficult, But the mysterious oh so delicious!
i think at this point the final clue as the creator Mocks in a way, resides in the note,
umagon: âThe password exists and works. Do not pm, send me tells asking for it; as it will not happen.â
Umagon: âMaybe all the characters needed for the password are contained in the note.â
Im pretty sure this is the strongest and last hint everyone should need, That the secret lies within the note,
That in some way shape or form, The characters of the note should resemble the password for the rar file.
I wonder if you will ever get a response. Iâll be eagerly awaiting any word.
More random thoughts on the whole âthemselfs⊠tenementsâ thing:
- Set difference between the two words
- Letter count and order donât matter: âhlfâ and ânâ
- Count but not order matters: âhlfsâ and ânentâ
- Count and order both matter: âhemslfâ and âenemntâ
- Placement on the paper matters: âthsetsâ? (depending on how you line up the odd gaps)
- âten ementsâ⊠whatâs an ement? maybe a â*ementâ word (cement, tenement, etcâŠ)
- Thereâs a lot more than ten of those
- Ones with ten letters? (puzzlement, bafflement, bemusement, incitement⊠no matter how apropos, none of those seem to fit with the rest of the note, maybe one of the other ones)
Iâm not actually poking at the rar, so no verification on any of these, just random musing.
I can tell you from my own research that Tens Ements is a real term. Notice that if you type it into the text window here you do not get the red âSpellcheckâ lines underneath it. The problem is, it seems to be such an arcane term that I cannot find a real definition for it. I HAVE found it used in quite a few antique legal documents online. It seems to have something to do with property law, land ownership, or land division, something like that. It could be, based on a footnote I saw, to be a root for the term âEminentâ in Eminent Domain.
Eminent as ânoteworthy, lofty, importantâ. The cloud of a judeo-christian background suggests that âten lofties of known realityâ would be the commandments. Discarding the thous (and the one thy) as being âthemselfsâ would leave the one about âremember the sabbath day, and keep it holyâ.
Feels like stretch, but maybe. shrugs
It could also be that there are no spelling mistakes here. Themself is an actual word in English. Usage stretches back to the 14th century, though it isnât as commonly used today it is still perfectly acceptable to use. Itâs meaning differs very little from âthemselvesâ, usually only referring to a single âselfâ. As in âIf someone would find themself in this situation.â because weâre talking about a singular someone here.
As for tenements, why are we talking about that word? Itâs a real word and itâs not misspelled. Its usage here is also consistent with its definition, if a little poetic in that usage.
Personally, this is the stance Iâm taking on this. No misspellings, no incorrectly used words. All the words being chosen for their specific spellings so that all of the necessary letters show up in the right places for the password to be discovered. I think this is the âleft turn at Albuquerqueâ that the guy was talking about.
As for an actual hypothesis, I donât know if this has been tried, but hereâs what Iâve been doing.
Taking the words literally and trying to offset âthemselfsâ from âtenementsâ. In other words, taking the difference between the letters. It makes some sense since both words are the same length. For example, the distance between âtâ and âtâ is 0. The distance between âhâ and âeâ is 3. The distance between âeâ and ânâ is 9, and so on. This pattern gives single digit results except for the distance between âfâ and âtâ. Even if you wrap around from Z to A you canât get a single digit result. So now Iâm trying multiple digit results in various combinations. For instance, forward results only meaning the distance starting from âhâ and working through the alphabet and wrapping around from Z->A until I get to âeâ which is 23. Another method would be not allowing wrapping and taking the direction in the only possible way. So in the case of âhâ and âeâ it would be -3. This gets tricky when you now try to decide how to combine the results you get. Is it a simple string of numbers from left to right? Do you have to do any kind of math to derive a result?
Thereâs a lot of different ways you can do this. Could take a while to putter around through them all.
If it werenât for that stray âsâ perhaps. I think I agree that the âementsâ line is unlikely. The gap between the ânâ and âeâ is reasonably similar to other gaps before the letter âeâ in the note.
Is there a limit to the length of a password for a rar? If the answer was âall the characters (are) needed for the passwordâ (aka: the whole note) and nobodyâs managed to try it, there may be some hats digested.
The use of âmaybeâ has me discarding the notion of focusing only on the entire note at once. Itâs not something that should be ignored completely, just not taken as gospel.
It could just as easily be that there is some code hidden in the message (like offsetting themselfs/tenements) that will give you a key that you can apply to the whole message. I donât think focusing on one part of the message is a bad idea right now especially given thatâs what we were doing before we were told we went off track.
You can type it all in (it doesnât open) but raises the question of which spaces are real and what to do with newlines.
âthe tenements of known realityâ is 26 characters long so âoff set __ from {26 letters}â to me says you use some word as a lookup into it but going with âthemselfsâ doesnât work (generates ârmeonesnnâ, which is not the password) so maybe it needs thought on who They are.
The other thing I tried unsuccessfully was using file sizes as hints - if you divide their byte length by 8 you get 15, 18, 7, 5, 9, and then Void is 133 bytes long which makes 8 and a bit. I just dunno what to do with 15 18 7 5 9 (8 or 9). 2nd lineâs less than 18 letters long so it canât be offsets into each line.
Iâm probably going out on a limb, but what if âthe tenements of known realityâ has something to do with Hex?
Would Tenements have any connection to the apartments in Kaidan with the really long missions in it?
This package was received in 2013, long before Tokyo.
Perhaps. But Tokyo was planned from the start I believe
without content being released right?
So youâre calling our puzzle maker a psychic? Or a Funcom insider?