Agility weapons need love. No mounted options. Spears should be for agility users

Winthor · 2023-03-03T05:14:18.367Z

For Pvp Reasons I am against using spears as agility weapons. Its good there is no agi spear meta otherwhise it would kill any other build. We would end up in the same situation prior 3.0.

I know why people want it and I understand it. But please lets not go the same road as we have before.

I am agreeing though that agi could get a little love.

2cents · 2023-03-03T12:01:14.453Z

Not to forget underwater combat with agility weapons.
Javalin needs some love.

Xevyr · 2023-03-03T15:42:20.202Z

Winthor:

We would end up in the same situation prior 3.0.

What exactly do you mean by this?.. that’s already a thing… Str20 / Agi20 / Vit20 is already the ONE build in PvP without much competition.
Along with the pokey spear being the “high end” PvP weapon

erjoh · 2023-03-03T15:45:40.687Z

I still say that make all light attacks agility based and heavy attacks strength based. Special attacks get put into one or the other depending (IE katana would be agility but 2Hswords would be strength)
That way we can have access to all weapons if we focus on one vs the other attribute.

Tephra · 2023-03-03T15:48:31.279Z

erjoh:

I still say that make all light attacks agility based and heavy attacks strength based.

No.

I think the whole division of weapons into two categories is bad, but it’s not like Funcom are going to reverse it at this point. Oh well.

Hexsing · 2023-03-03T15:49:54.740Z

I love pretty much all of the Agility Weapons. I think the Katana with the sword moveset on the back of a mount would suffice.

The others make sense. Javelins should work.

Shortswords are amazing

erjoh · 2023-03-03T15:52:29.799Z

My issue with what it is right now is the weapons that are R1 spammers are all agility. Adding spear to this makes sense in that case but it’s still just…blah.

Hexsing · 2023-03-03T15:54:48.967Z

Spear should remain the way it is and be strength.

Javelin is what needs to be given a more robust style. And there should be some way not to throw it on accident. Like you need to use target lock to throw the thing.

Winthor · 2023-03-03T16:06:06.907Z

Xevyr:

What exactly do you mean by this?

I mean that right now you still need to skill into both attributes (strength and agility) if you wanna use the spear as a meta. In order for the spear making enough damage you need to sacrifice attributes, like encumberence or grit or authority. This wouldn´t be the case anymore if you could ignore strength completely and go for agility only. It would strengthen the spear meta even more which leads us back to prior 3.0.

I personally think we are fine where we are with the stats right now. Mounted combat could be improved though and I also agree with the javelins getting some more love and power.

SirDaveWolf · 2023-03-03T16:30:33.012Z

Bows are really prevalent on the server(s) I play. And they HURT A LOT.

I agree on buffing Javelins. You can’t be serious when a 2h pike is faster than a 1h short spear…

SirDaveWolf · 2023-03-03T16:37:22.888Z

Tephra:

I think the whole division of weapons into two categories is bad,

And there is no point in it when you use both attributes anyways in a 20 20 20 build.

drukuku · 2023-03-03T16:40:38.954Z

Oddly enough - this is also something the mod I was talking about earlier does, though it’s more a side-effect of giving it attack chains for the shield. You gotta put whatever is in your off-hand away and it works like a charged shot on a bow.

Hexsing · 2023-03-03T17:54:35.663Z

This is an elegant solution to a long-standing problem.

drukuku · 2023-03-03T18:29:20.883Z

At first when I saw it I thought it would be slightly unwieldy as an implementation but it honestly isn’t. Then again, I always have the shield on my hotbar next to the main weapon so it’s not like equipping/unequipping it isn’t super quick to begin with.

stelagel · 2023-03-03T19:33:27.835Z

SirDaveWolf:

I agree on buffing Javelins.

That make us 2! Give some love to javelins!
They are fantastic pve weapons by the way, but from all the agility weapons they are slower on light attacks and they have no special attack. I agree that they need to be faster on lights and combine with shield a combo that doesn’t toss them at heavy attack but with special!
Plus they need more damage on throw but with combination of strength! So your 20,20,20 will only be beneficial sir.
Spears are lousy pve weapons, they consume humongous amount of stamina and compared to other weapons, even javelins i could say, they are the last we should use! But pvp, mo matter the nerfs keeps them high in the food chain.
I don’t care if spears are either agility or strength. So i will stay neutral in this call. Just stopped by to support sir dave and javelins!

LZB_Gattsu · 2023-03-04T03:18:19.006Z

And when you don’t you’re basically fked.

LostBrythunian · 2023-03-04T03:57:05.020Z

This one would love to see many agility weapon improvements.

Mounted katana and javelin are top on this one’s list.

Daggers are in a good place for what they are.

Claws/Punch daggers need help, there isn’t even a non-premium star metal version.

Dual Swords also need help, there are currently what, 2 examples? Whirlwind Blades and Serpentes Swords.

Shortswords are in an odd place. On Siptah, they are in an excellent place. Exiled Lands… not so much. This one would love to see them added to the Obsidian and Black Ice weapons list.

Katanas are not bad other than the restriction against mounted use. This one would love to see a real Dragonbone Katana, rather than the skin…

Javelins… This one does not like their moveset. This one does not like that they are not usable mounted. This one is saddened because spear and shield is such a magnificent fighting style and it would be nice if it was in game as well.

One other wibble, it would be very nice if a glowing Shortsword or set of claws could be added, much like Forgelight and Glinmermoon.

Now, some of this is possibly in the works, the Punch daggers as a weapon type are comparatively recent, and we all recall how long it took to get a full suite of Two-handed Axes and Shortswords, so patience may be called for.

Dakhma · 2023-03-04T04:17:46.598Z

This should be the case, sort of what emberlight adds, Dorys for agility with shield or offhand and polearms for heavy attacks.

LZB_Gattsu · 2023-03-04T04:24:48.076Z

You cant even buff Fist/Claw weapons… Well The Yamtai Claw one u cant in the Bazaar

MostlyCharmless · 2023-03-04T05:33:01.406Z

I posted a thread on this a while back.

Historically, there is a version of katana that was used from horseback.

There are also many accounts of light scimitars, javelins, throwing darts (primarily from chariots though), and some light sabres used from horseback.

The javelins used in this role were not used primarily in close quarters combat (charges), but to harrass targets from range.

I can appreciate that the shortsword was used as a short range stabbing weapon, and is excluded from horseback.

I think it is tough to argue that a two handed spear should be classed as an agility weapon, and used one handed from horeseback.

I think it would be reasonable to apply the current Turanian tulwar (treating it as a light scimitar) as a light weapon that could be used from horseback (using the base sword animations from horseback), then apply the shortsword animations on the ground. There is already a curved shortsword skin available from the shop.

This would give agility players a horseback option.