# Archers and Fighters-With-Bow to Stay on Top Of a Foundation Block - How? **URL:** \ **Category:** Players Helping Players\ **Tags:** pc\ **Created:** [August 10, 2021, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/archers-and-fighters-with-bow-to-stay-on-top-of-a-foundation-block-how/175301 "2021-08-10T07:51:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![TeleTesselator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/teletesselator/32/97270_2.png) [@TeleTesselator](https://forums.funcom.com/u/TeleTesselator)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2021, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/archers-and-fighters-with-bow-to-stay-on-top-of-a-foundation-block-how/175301/1 "2021-08-10T07:51:30Z")
Hi yall! Great community here! I recently did a search for the correct setting(s) (cuz my pea-brain lacks perfect understanding 😛 ) and the result was a thread in which @Wak4863 suggests the following with videos and etc.: [The new thrall behavior wheel!](https://forums.funcom.com/t/the-new-thrall-behavior-wheel/120970) There followed some discussion about it not working and so on. It’s been about a year since then and I’m wondering what the answer actually is. 😃 Here is how I have it set up physically. What setting will ensure the thrall stays put and fires on any and all enemies which come in range - without teleporting off her box? ![Thrall](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/original/3X/0/a/0ae399af4fd96f5e4eb1c2e4e1cdec6b62e0c36f.jpeg) This is an official PvE server if that makes a difference. Thanks for any help!!! ---
**Author:** ![JJDancer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/jjdancer/32/85091_2.png) [@JJDancer](https://forums.funcom.com/u/JJDancer)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2021, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/archers-and-fighters-with-bow-to-stay-on-top-of-a-foundation-block-how/175301/2 "2021-08-10T09:45:48Z")
I do not know what all of that blather was about in that thread, but its simply stand and defend. You cannot choose stand and defend AND ranged or melee. I have archers all along my outer wall, and they have been in the same spot for years. They consistently kill the rhinos and never move. ![2021-08-10 03_39_13-ConanSandbox (64-bit, PCD3D_SM5)](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/original/3X/9/5/95dd72914a474290f80b00279e37ebca0aa254d2.jpeg) Choose stand and defend, choose a range, and plant them where you want them, it is not rocket science. ---
**Author:** ![sestus2009](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/sestus2009/32/19170_2.png) [@sestus2009](https://forums.funcom.com/u/sestus2009)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2021, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/archers-and-fighters-with-bow-to-stay-on-top-of-a-foundation-block-how/175301/4 "2021-08-10T14:30:26Z")
As @JJDancer mentioned it works… I have been using crenelations for years and working well as long as the foundation or ceiling tiles are elevated.l on level to ground foundation and crenelation set up I have had them teleport or run past. ---
**Author:** ![TeleTesselator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/teletesselator/32/97270_2.png) [@TeleTesselator](https://forums.funcom.com/u/TeleTesselator)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2021, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/archers-and-fighters-with-bow-to-stay-on-top-of-a-foundation-block-how/175301/5 "2021-08-10T17:04:36Z")
I notice that you have a wall behind them though. And also palisades in front so that enemies don’t actually touch the wall. I think those may be a hard requirements for a setup like that. (?) ---
**Author:** ![TeleTesselator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/teletesselator/32/97270_2.png) [@TeleTesselator](https://forums.funcom.com/u/TeleTesselator)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2021, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/archers-and-fighters-with-bow-to-stay-on-top-of-a-foundation-block-how/175301/6 "2021-08-10T17:13:49Z")
I have had similar experiences. They only stay if they are “fenced” in on all sides - if they are on a single-wide single-long (square) ceiling tile or foundation. I tried putting them up 2.5 blocks high (single block “tower”) with crenelated rails (sharp end pointed in at the archers on all 4 sides) and that worked 90% of the time. However, if an enemy seemed to be attacking the blocks they were standing on they would fall (teleport?) off into the fray. 🥴 ---
**Author:** ![TeleTesselator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/teletesselator/32/97270_2.png) [@TeleTesselator](https://forums.funcom.com/u/TeleTesselator)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2021, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/archers-and-fighters-with-bow-to-stay-on-top-of-a-foundation-block-how/175301/7 "2021-08-10T20:32:00Z")
BTW @Ragnaguard , is there some hot-key or trick to get fences partially down the fence foundations? I’ve seen this happen by accident but recreating the action on purpose is not, well, intuitive, shall I say. 〽 :aaaaaa: ---
**Author:** ![Stinkyfingerton](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/stinkyfingerton/32/53229_2.png) [@Stinkyfingerton](https://forums.funcom.com/u/Stinkyfingerton)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2021, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/archers-and-fighters-with-bow-to-stay-on-top-of-a-foundation-block-how/175301/8 "2021-08-10T22:59:45Z")
A tip when placing archers: for maximum amount of thralls in a small area, place 1st archer on tile 1. Tell archer 1 to follow you. Move away so thrall leaves posted spot. This will allow you to place archer 2 right beside archer 1, shoulder to shoulder. Then tell archer 1 to stop following, archer 1 will return to posted position. Repeat for each additional archer you want on your firing line. This will allow you to circumvent the “cant place here, too close to another thrall” mechanic. And block out the sun with their arrows… ---
**Author:** ![JJDancer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/jjdancer/32/85091_2.png) [@JJDancer](https://forums.funcom.com/u/JJDancer)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 12:46am UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/archers-and-fighters-with-bow-to-stay-on-top-of-a-foundation-block-how/175301/9 "2021-08-11T00:46:56Z")
Those are not hard requirements. On the other side of my base I don’t have the higher wall or the palisades. The rhinos on that side come right up to the wall. My archers there have never moved. ---
**Author:** ![LordKAA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/da6949/32.png) [@LordKAA](https://forums.funcom.com/u/LordKAA)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 1:46am UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/archers-and-fighters-with-bow-to-stay-on-top-of-a-foundation-block-how/175301/10 "2021-08-11T01:46:26Z")
> [@TeleTesselator](#): > > is there some hot-key or trick to get fences partially down the fence foundations? The fence foundations have two snap points, so just look down slightly, and it will snap to a lower position on the foundation. You can also make foundation stairs, and functional railings with the same method. There is also a way to raise them but I think that is an “exploit” so I won’t share that info. ---
**Author:** ![TeleTesselator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/teletesselator/32/97270_2.png) [@TeleTesselator](https://forums.funcom.com/u/TeleTesselator)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 4:28am UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/archers-and-fighters-with-bow-to-stay-on-top-of-a-foundation-block-how/175301/11 "2021-08-11T04:28:52Z")
Thanks! Much appreciated! On the exploits you mean like these? I don’t know enough to know if they are or not. Lower down in the thread someone claims this is normal. So it remains a question - to me at least. Does anyone here actually know? I would appreciate someone actually in the know to say - and not just flag a post anonymously because of a guess. Thanks! ![ConanSandbox_2021_08_11_13_17_31_895](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/original/3X/3/4/3427a7f5148edf05bdbd014d0cac9c9b6f0a51e7.jpeg) ![ConanSandbox_2021_08_11_13_26_45_202](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/original/3X/6/b/6be0582736cecc65f8411fb6b34978c3a4f58463.jpeg) Also, what do you mean by “functional railings”? Any examples to show perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![Lahaina](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/lahaina/32/61406_2.png) [@Lahaina](https://forums.funcom.com/u/Lahaina)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 5:13am UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/archers-and-fighters-with-bow-to-stay-on-top-of-a-foundation-block-how/175301/12 "2021-08-11T05:13:34Z")
@JJDancer The problem isn’t with older thralls; it seems to be any newer ones that are placed. I already posted about it here: [Archers are falling off walls without being engaged in combat](https://forums.funcom.com/t/archers-are-falling-off-walls-without-being-engaged-in-combat/172849). @JJDancer is correct, but the only thing you should do for new archers is set them to **Stand and Defend**. However, there is a problem; my newly placed archers periodically fall off the wall. ---
**Author:** ![LordKAA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/da6949/32.png) [@LordKAA](https://forums.funcom.com/u/LordKAA)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 9:24am UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/archers-and-fighters-with-bow-to-stay-on-top-of-a-foundation-block-how/175301/14 "2021-08-11T09:24:32Z")
> [@TeleTesselator](#): > > Also, what do you mean by “functional railings”? Railings that work, unlike the stairs with rails… [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/original/3X/9/8/981ec86d3141f8f45958c2d1d7ca0fcc1d9a82aa.jpeg "Conan Exiles Functional Stair Railings") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rIwXkZgu4g) > [@Ragnaguard](#): > > Have not tried it in higher ground though (for example 2-3 foundation high) You can simply place the fence foundations on top of each other if you need to cover 2 or more foundations. ---
**Author:** ![LordKAA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/da6949/32.png) [@LordKAA](https://forums.funcom.com/u/LordKAA)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/archers-and-fighters-with-bow-to-stay-on-top-of-a-foundation-block-how/175301/16 "2021-08-11T09:45:47Z")
Yes I thought that after I posted it, my bad. 😂 ---
**Author:** ![sestus2009](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/sestus2009/32/19170_2.png) [@sestus2009](https://forums.funcom.com/u/sestus2009)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/archers-and-fighters-with-bow-to-stay-on-top-of-a-foundation-block-how/175301/17 "2021-08-11T09:53:27Z")
@Stinkyfingerton thanks for bringing this up had completely forgotten about that. ---
**Author:** ![Stinkyfingerton](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/stinkyfingerton/32/53229_2.png) [@Stinkyfingerton](https://forums.funcom.com/u/Stinkyfingerton)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 9:54am UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/archers-and-fighters-with-bow-to-stay-on-top-of-a-foundation-block-how/175301/18 "2021-08-11T09:54:54Z")
Cool buddy! ---
**Author:** ![TeleTesselator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/teletesselator/32/97270_2.png) [@TeleTesselator](https://forums.funcom.com/u/TeleTesselator)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 10:08am UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/archers-and-fighters-with-bow-to-stay-on-top-of-a-foundation-block-how/175301/19 "2021-08-11T10:08:15Z")
Hey, that’s interesting! Players figuring out how to get around the (too!) limited number of building blocks and in this case functionality too! Neat-o! I’ve always wondered why there was such a limited set of building blocks, although I’ve only seldom been miffed at the lack of collision with stair railings - mainly the few times I fell to my death because of it ☠. Anyway, thanks for that! Cool beans brah! Oh, and /is that/ what you were talking about in those images I posted? Or something else? ---
**Author:** ![LordKAA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/da6949/32.png) [@LordKAA](https://forums.funcom.com/u/LordKAA)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/archers-and-fighters-with-bow-to-stay-on-top-of-a-foundation-block-how/175301/20 "2021-08-11T10:30:57Z")
> [@TeleTesselator](#): > > Oh, and /is that/ what you were talking about in those images I posted? Or something else? No it’s something else. Unfortunately I can’t go any further than that as I don’t know if it’s intentional, or an exploit… ---
**Author:** ![TeleTesselator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/teletesselator/32/97270_2.png) [@TeleTesselator](https://forums.funcom.com/u/TeleTesselator)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 10:34am UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/archers-and-fighters-with-bow-to-stay-on-top-of-a-foundation-block-how/175301/21 "2021-08-11T10:34:20Z")
Sure, NP there. So what the heck am I looking at in those images I posted? Have you ever seen like that before? ---
**Author:** ![LordKAA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/da6949/32.png) [@LordKAA](https://forums.funcom.com/u/LordKAA)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/archers-and-fighters-with-bow-to-stay-on-top-of-a-foundation-block-how/175301/22 "2021-08-11T10:37:46Z")
Yes, but it’s not intentional so you are treading on thin ice. 😂 ---
**Author:** ![TeleTesselator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/teletesselator/32/97270_2.png) [@TeleTesselator](https://forums.funcom.com/u/TeleTesselator)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/archers-and-fighters-with-bow-to-stay-on-top-of-a-foundation-block-how/175301/23 "2021-08-11T12:34:16Z")
Okay, not meaning it in a challenging or belligerent manner but what is all this about some unknown (to me anyway) entity being all touchy about building something in a way that was unintended? Are there like, Funcom police lurking about ready to snatch people’s licenses away for being clever or something? I don’t get it like, at all! I could understand it if it were something which allowed one to skirt the rules - like producing an undefeatable “god” character or thrall, or even gave one the ability to defeat the server rules in some way. But building techniques??? Doesn’t seem to make any sense at all. I mean Funcom is the company who implemented actual REAL cheats into their dedicated public (unofficial) servers after all - surely they’re not that touchy? Are they? BTW, the images I posted are on an “Official” server and those users have been there (and been doing that) since the beginning. [Next page](https://forums.funcom.com/t/archers-and-fighters-with-bow-to-stay-on-top-of-a-foundation-block-how/175301.md?page=2)