very speculative on your end Deacon, i wish i will new. i wish they could share that data.
i do suspect the reprots they pay more attention are the ones that comes with a video.

it is just empyric information, on my end … no one really knows where the boundaries are. and i have seen places with that size getting admin wipe, i remember a place about that size, it had a bridge but it was a necesity due the place it was built upon. without it it was inconvenient to reach it, as it was on (iirc) a hill, surrounded by water .

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He’s right, land claim violation reports are addressed by server based on volume. They changed the ToC almost a year ago now to reflect “gathering” reports for a more “holistic” approach.

In my research it has been demonstrable and not to mention the effect of mass reporting.

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Tell me why?

I really wish I could, but I don’t think I can explain it properly for you to understand.

I do believe one was developed to have several maps hosted by the developer from the start. The other does it as a courtesy but was designed more for private servers.

And from there, well, it gets technical.

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I’d like to take a step back and remind everyone of the context: we were talking about building bridges, not about the size of the claim or how far out you can build your walls or what’s considered purely decorative or any other of the many grey areas that exist in the rules.

As I’ve said many times elsewhere, I agree that the rules are not good. There are many problems with the rules and the enforcement of those rules, some of which are:

  • It’s not possible for a player to reason about whether their build leads to “loss of performance both on client and server side”, so how do you avoid building something that will break that rule?
  • “Blocking of the content” is too open to interpretation, and Funcom staff have been known to change the policy without clarifying it, such as when they suddenly decided to allow blocking world bosses.
  • The phrase “blocks are placed for no other purpose than to prevent other players’ access to resources and building spots” is easy to misinterpret. People who build bridges will say that their purpose is to let players traverse obstacles in the terrain. Someone who builds a theater will say that its purpose is to look fun and let players role-play.
  • Neither giving warnings nor explanations makes it hard or even impossible to learn how to avoid breaking the rules.

There are other problems, but I don’t want to spend time writing out a detailed critique of the rules. Suffice it to say that I fully agree that there are problems with them.

And, as @Kanza1 already said, I was one of those who asked for server moderation back when there was none, not because I wanted these rules, but rather because I wanted some recourse in extreme situations, such as when some diсkhead on a PVE or PVE-C server decides to wall me in and I can’t do anything about it, or when some asshat (again, on PVE or PVE-C) decides to spam foundations all over the Shattered Springs to remove all the brimstone nodes.

In short, I wanted a way to deal with griefers and trolls, not this dumpster fire we have right now.

That said, I’d like to point back to the context: building bridges and “being careful” with the “wiggle room”.

Look, there has to be some point where we accept a modicum of personal responsibility. Some point beyond which it’s clear that we’re actively looking for a way to wiggle out of the rules. If you repeatedly get the link to the rules shoved in your face when you log in to play, eventually you have to go look at the rules, or you’re the one at fault.

Similarly, if you go look at the rules, and the rules say “check out the documentation about land claim abuse”, and you click on that and see a section about bridges that says “look, we get that you mean this as a benefit to other players, but we strongly recommend not building bridges and we usually consider them an abuse”, then you probably shouldn’t build a damn bridge and if you’ve built one, you should probably dismantle it. That’s what I meant about being careful.

You can quibble about what “being careful” means in this context, but that’s all it is, a quibble. And quibbling about that just makes it harder to make the real message heard, about the real problems with the rules and the enforcement.

I have no problem with people who come here and say “I broke the rules, I got suspended, I disagree with the rules, and I want them changed”. I have no problem with people who say “I was suspended and I don’t know how I broke the rules” and it’s really not clear how they broke the rules.

But I do have a problem when someone says “I was suspended for no reason, I didn’t do anything, I only built these things X, Y, and Z” and it turns out that X, Y, and Z are explicitly referred to as something you’re “strongly encouraged not to build”. Like, seriously? Can we for once stop trying to dodge all responsibility for our own actions and accept that some of this shіt is on us?

If I could change the rules and policies, I would get rid of all of the land claim rules that aren’t directly related to griefing and be done with it. But that doesn’t mean I agree with deliberate rules-lawyering, because that’s one of the things griefers will also try to use to portray themselves as victims.

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Me! I made a booboo; you probably recall. First suspension back in late summer 2021.

I want to bring it up because it is important for all us to have a sense of personal responsibility.

This was blocking a POI and pathway (although pathway is not explicitly stated).

I take full responsibility for adding 2 people to my clan who had a pre-existing build with these 2 infractions. It wasn’t something I did myself and was a conversation that was ongoing. Clan and I liked the new people but we were trying to get them to move it or fix the problem. But again, my responsibility.

So I actually knew why it could happen prior to the action.

But what happened after is what opened my eyes, kept me cognizant of my responsibilities as an Official player and appreciative of the process (then).

2 huge and important things: a brief detailed explanation was given upon inquiry and it wasn’t the result of a report against my clan.

The report was done by a few in our clan because of an undermesh from a hacker. Ok fine, deserves a report itself. The kicker was that it was preventing expansion of the problem build.

So when it was investigated, which took less than week for a response, we were actioned on. Only the problem build was affected and a discretionary 3 day suspension for the entire clan was given. Explained that it was discovered during the investigation for the undermesh (which they couldn’t find :frowning: ).

The 2 offenses were explained clearly.

So yes, we need to come to accept that sometimes, some of us, are responsible for our choices.

A warning though could help to alleviate so many pain points in the process - too many have had the rug yanked from under and left dazed by the fall.

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Exactly.

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And in my view this was a loss for everyone : you , the community you were part of , the game in general ( I don’t think you’ve been chosen by asura for no reason :wink: )

well when the rules are clear it’s easier to comply indeed !

I remember when they announced the thrall limits, months before it’s implementation.
As soon as the option to break bond was introduced in pair with the new leveling system.
I had no issue to delete all our pets / thralls ( even legacy ones like captains and bandit leaders/prowlers/thugs ) to reach the announced limit of that time which was lower than what was finally implemented almost a year later , and it also played a role in my report of the great wall of saltiness as some of those pets were trapped at that time ( and therefore were taking better thralls slots ) , and it all had a role in the advocacy for the change in ToC .
But I guess : "beware of what you wish for you might get more that what you want " fits perfectly here :hear_no_evil: :see_no_evil: :speak_no_evil:

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Havent seen you post in a while. Always glad to see an OG pvper. But alas, i is in passing, as 3 weeks ago being hacked ended my trance and have not fired the game up since. The rest of my clan uninstalled, but i still might do some modding, and just cant shoot Ol’ Yella yet :confused:

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Just a couple of things I haven’t seen mentioned. One of which is possibly unique to me.

Talking about other people’s bases, not mine. Seeing something of artistic value that someone obviously put a lot of time and effort into destroyed triggers a gut reaction in me that is somewhat akin to what witnessing someone kick a puppy or slap a child would elicit. That it’s your puppy, your child or your server does not matter.

This is not something I look for in a game.

Artistic is subjective… Well, speaking of, I have a build that has a 2 ceilings long x 1 ceiling wide bridge between two sections of the base. Is that against the rules? Sure seems to be. What if I replace it with steps going up to each section? Is it ok then? I don’t know and if it is isn’t that the most absurd thing ever?Is there anyone that can tell me either way? Or do I just wait to see if I get banned and all my stuff deleted? Day to day never knowing.

Also not something I look for in a game.

Maybe it’s time I make a goodbye post. Something along the lines of, Well the shoe’s on the other hand now, huh. The cows have come home to roost.

If you were waiting for the punchline, that was it.

Its Saddly Because right now MANY people are afraid to play,build and stay in game Because They dont know what can happen

The rules are no clear a Clan with 10 players can be banned Because a player forget Just 1 Foundation in someplace or Because Someone build a bridge to bring a treasure for the other side of River.

:face_with_raised_eyebrow:

:person_facepalming:

Still waiting for actual examples of that happening.

hyperbole

noun
hy·​per·​bo·​le
exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

Happened in 4510 and 4511 in 4511 2 times
You can log and ask Any clan

Please tell me how they would know since funcom does not give explanations for bans.

Depends when it happened, they used to.

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