Bans are Ruining the Game

helium3 · 2022-12-28T20:07:23.663Z

The human condition I suppose.

I’m pretty skeptical of people claiming they were unfairly banned, but it’s a common enough complaint that I hope fc continues to put energy into improving their process around this.

Tuffman · 2022-12-28T20:14:06.450Z

Have to agree. They really should discontinue blanket bans, especially for building. It does nothing but promote resentment, the servers are not healthier nor are they performing any better since they initiated this practice.

Either refine your building guidelines and actually utilize no build zones as they see fit or stop this madness.

ForossanFlint · 2022-12-28T20:14:20.249Z

Well where I worked at, some of the lads in production did find a way to solve this issue pretty effectively with BattlEyes system so I’d say Funcom’s on the right path here. And I’m skeptical too in that regards, can’t tell you how many calls of angry 12 year olds I had gotten back then that claimed they were banned for no reason. Nevermind that they were too young to play the game in question anyway. But yeah I do get that.

I just think, if they’d really tell the truth and this is pretty much the case, which I think it isn’t but considering it would, then that would mean there’s something between CE and BE that does something in this regard which could lead to such issues, be it Zendesk or something else.

Ooooor they’re just angry for being caught cheating. Honestly, some seemingly complex things can be answered fairly mundanely.

EduMariano · 2022-12-28T20:19:57.330Z

I was banned for building some time ago, the guy who reported me openly told in chat that he and his group report peoples base for loot after the ban. Pure envy, those sick bastards are know trolls on the server, this guy had a lot of decorative claim on his base and tons of map room scathered over the map and Fc told me that ther no irregularity. And i was banned for having pathways between my buildings. Now i build only 20x20 to avoi those mtf fellas

Kikigirl · 2022-12-28T20:29:52.509Z

ForossanFlint:

I’ve never even heard of this issue up until now

This has been a pretty big issue for more than a year. Since Terms of Conduct revamp and enforcement back in late summer 2021.

Issues presented itself in the form of what OP is talking about in Dec. 2021.

Everything from spite reports, mass reports, lies and fabrications to garner enforcement to constant threats by those in the know.

There have been markedly obvious shifts in the process and how Zendesk handles the reports; coming to a head in spring of 2022 when the forum was filled by complaints by 2-3 posts per day.

I and my clan were also affected.

Since then there has been an addition to ToC regarding fake reports, although a bandaid, furthers the realization that the process is not perfect and Funcom does make mistakes.

Ultimately this rash of enforcement, with little education and understanding, and often no explanatory justification, has led to the exodus of some players. Or, like in my case, refusal to purchase any DLCs in any regard since.

Funcom has communicated that the rules are not clear enough and they’re working on them.

I’ve seen a reduction in posts on the forums, albeit not everyone visits to air their concerns, but it has been telling.

Regardless, the process is broken and poorly exercised. Having seen fake reports as tests done and enforcement successfully remove ToC compliant bases, it’s interesting.

ForossanFlint · 2022-12-28T20:38:19.345Z

Holy shit. Thanks for telling me. Feels like I’ve been living under a rock. I mean yeah, Funcom does make mistakes, they’re only human. Well, let’s just hope the christmas hiatus makes everyone come back to work with renewed energy to grapple this topic. Seems the To-Do List for CE is growing more than it’s shrinking.

Gawd this gives me a headache, we had the same shit happen in our company once Brexit and Covid came around. Shit went from bad to worse. Let’s just hope that won’t be the case here. I honestly enjoy CE enough to not want seeing it fall like that. Oh and DLC wise afaik you don’t have to worry, ever since the seasonal thing, it’s kinda gotten worse regarding ownership of items. I swear it looks like FCs struggling with something

Xevyr · 2022-12-28T20:38:51.543Z

EduMariano:

And i was banned for having pathways between my buildings.

No Edu You were banned for building an entire RP town complete with individual shops for each crafting profession etc on an official server.
They specifically have a mention now about towns despite being pretty and decorative… they’re needless landclaim though.
So it wasn’t the pathways or anything specific… it was the fact that you cannot have buildings for purely aesthetic reasons without them having a functional and required purpose within reason. Basically when it comes to official servers… only take up as much space as you REALLY need to so that others have some free spots on the map as well.

I said this a few times though, your build was absolutely amazing and I loved it, however there was absolutely no doubt in my mind the very first time I saw the pictures that it’s a ToS violation and if I was the admin handling your case I would’ve also wiped it without hesitation (however I would’ve saved a copy for you to transfer to SP since it was a really good build )

Capt_insano0 · 2022-12-28T20:42:56.710Z

XninjaPIX:

So my advise to anyone thinking of buying extra content for this game is DON’T at least until this madness ends.

Yup I said this a while back as much as some items look interesting I’m not going to buy it only to be banned a week or month later. Just so everyone knows you can get permanently banned on your first offense. You know why? Devs are humans and they make mistakes but after tickets were sent in 4 of my clan mates still can’t play , almost three months later

ForossanFlint · 2022-12-28T20:43:08.457Z

Do you still have a picture? I’d love to gaze upon that magnificient piece of architecture you speak of. Also yeah Edu, building an RP Town on an official server is kindaaa…eh…I mean look at certain other survival games on the high seas how laggy their starter areas are because people decide to build massive castles with murderholes, big moats and greek fire crocodiles (maybe not crocdiles but you get the point)

Aesthetically pleasing as such things are, running around withh 3FPS is not, because imagine if everyone would do that.

EduMariano · 2022-12-28T20:45:42.730Z

I think that if i had enveloped everything on walls and made a floor abouve it with coloumns and ceilings and making it a mono square block i would had passed on admin filter like many other bases on server.

Xevyr · 2022-12-28T20:48:17.649Z

Hmm, maybe
Anyway, if I’m not mistaken these are of that base right? I recognize the signs Share your Shelter - #985 by EduMariano
so @ForossanFlint can see what we were talking about

EduMariano · 2022-12-28T20:48:41.003Z

b11920×1080 222 KB

i build a new base on the same spot but it is now 20 foundation diameter circle, it can hold everything with expect an animal pen, i hope the height not become a problem too

ForossanFlint · 2022-12-28T20:49:43.470Z

The artist in me says “yeees” the admin in me says “noooo” ohh boy

EduMariano · 2022-12-28T20:52:36.926Z

the funny was that after it got wipped the server performance was improved by 0, at least it made my conscience clear

EduMariano · 2022-12-28T20:54:21.565Z

i would like to post a picture of my atual building but cant join the server due to the infinite loading screen bug.

ForossanFlint · 2022-12-28T20:57:22.775Z

I feel that. I optimized my mod load order for my server and my brother and me join instantly. Yet one other individual is stuck in the loading screen like the server’s almost dying. I have no idea what exactly causes that.

No, actually, I’d be lying, I do but since I don’t have the full picture of the software in front of me, I lack full understanding and can only speculate. And half-arsed tries seldom lead to solid solutions.

EduMariano · 2022-12-28T21:02:21.569Z

on this specific server i guess that it could be a problem with some partition is full if its linux machine a partion full can cause a lot of problems, i think that way because the problem seens to be fixed when server restarts at the morning but, some hours after it becomes unjoinable again.

CodeMage · 2022-12-28T21:17:16.769Z

EduMariano:

the funny was that after it got wipped the server performance was improved by 0, at least it made my conscience clear

People keep forgetting that the official server rules are not exclusively about server performance. They’re about sharing the server responsibly. Performance is only one aspect of that.

ForossanFlint · 2022-12-28T21:19:16.196Z

In other words: If everyone would build like that on Official, there wouldn’t be a world left to explore. No mobs to farm and no adventures to experience. There would be just buildings.

EduMariano · 2022-12-28T21:27:14.965Z

sure but i was acused on the performance aspect. in other aspects blocking paths resources and so on i think was not my case, because i m very close to the barrier, barelly touching it, in a spot where almost no one comes.