Imagine me spending days and hours finding the hardest to reach spot possible in the game (besides undermeshing) and putting palisades on my roof. Sorc bat rider drops on my base minutes to seconds before raid hours start so they can avoid archers and they blow into my base within minutes. I understand the balance bats bring but i argue they should not be available until raid hours start.
This forces the raider to think outside of the box, since archers are its main weakness (they are absolutely worthless as it currently stands) they would actually have to account for them instead of completely circumventing them.
If this is not acceptable then create all new defensive pieces that make this cheap trick obsolete. Something as simple as a “bat bubble” that drops the player before they get over the top of the base. That is just an example not a final solution.
I think a new “defense” oriented dlc would be an excellent solution, something to put raiders in check. In the games current form, raiding has never been easier. To me this undermines the entire raid hour setup, even something like wall fences have become almost pointless, this is not a good direction when all aspects of the game beloved and used should be celebrated and not made pointless.
I understand how that can seem hypocritical when i mentioned making bat riding raid tactics obsolete, but what i really am trying to say is it needs to be balanced and adjusted to thrive with everything else in the game. I feel this appropriate considering the choice to nerf the sword of crom and the like with thrall use.
Please take this in to consideration as its a very game breaking feature at the moment.
Yeah, before if you wanted a good base you had to invest some good anticlimb and such, raiders had to make their way up to the top.
Now the only bases that matters are caves, and if you want to effectively defend then you only can repair behind a wall/gate and hope for the best, because you can’t fight the raiders back since you will be turned into dust the moment you will have to go thought their bombs (choke point)
100% agree. The bat something rarely used has taken away so many pvp spots. It should be altered in a way or yes bring back a form of god bubbles but anti magic bubbles. I honestly think god bubbles should return just make it so they stop gods and magic. Don’t make it immune to arrows that was the issue making hanging bases too OP.
hem have you tried to fly with bat in conan enhanced ?
if not you should.
but agree that bat has unbalance lot of raid mechanism, and made obsolete lot of things. In otherway bat was the only way to deal with skybase, so if people can still build this kind of shit you will have a bigger problem if no bat. without even talking of the fact that bat was the only way to escape to hacker using cheat to locate body. but actually in conan enhanced bat dont allow to fly high at atl, its 4 flap max
Speaking from a PvE perspective, I don’t have much to say about bat raiding. But I want to express my support for making archer thralls less useless than they are currently. They don’t even consistently hit slow moving NPCs, have a very low rate of fire and deal little damage per hit. That makes them more or less decorative in PvE, but in PvP, I guess they more of a hindrance than a benefit, taking away thralls spots and FPS.
where have you played those last 5 years ? when we give feed back lets talk about reality and not about what i should believe funcom should do, because if i agree they should, problem is they dont, at least not at all in the speed needed.
But here problem solver, pve fly bats whenever. Pvp “it is not the right time of the night yet to summon the power of the bat…” 6pm hits boom you can have your bat.
Years ago i asked for komodos and even said that i knew how to do it in ue4 bp’s. A month later they introduced komodos and more. About a month ago i asked for remake on ue5 because dune imo is a failure and people would come back, i also made a post here about the golem/guardian invincible bug. A month later both happened. They listen.
As far as i know arrows do work on bats still, but its easy for a bat summoner/rider to ignore the thralls if they just drop on your base right before raid hours start. They did the age of war for raiders, there should be an “age of defense” so to speak. Even the odds a little bit so you can get more epic battles, otherwise we will all remain cave/sky dwellers.
Bats are no roleplay, or pve mechanism. It’s purely PvP mechanism and Funcom can easily see it since they have live services and get information about everything from single player to online experience. Although Al Merayah existed as a good reason for bats to be used on Pve also, entering without bat was so much easier, so this ship sailed away also. Other than that don’t forget that bat doesn’t carry thralls also and you will hardly find Pve players wandering without them.
So there’s not a debate Pve vs PvP when it comes to bat flying.
Bat flying is giving options, freedom in this game that didn’t have before.
I do agree that when a mechanism exists a counter should be presented also. I agree with any counter they may provide because archers ain’t that much and giving them aim bot like NPC’s have, it wouldn’t be nice .
Thats one of the reasons Isle of Siptah is dead since Age of Sorcery. Siptah has a lot of spots for pillar bases (2 broken bridges, grey demon apex base spot, the island on top, eye of Ekim and so on). Among the caves, there are only 2 that are actually viable, other are either too small or too wide to properly defend. Bringing Avatar protection and make it also preventing people from flying with a bat inside of the bubble would be great counterplay to them, and also making it so you cannot use the slow falling spell with a bat rider. This way bats will mostly be used to raid skybases.
As a pvp’er and a raider there is no legit base that we need to use a bat to raid. Yes, a bat can make it easier but an experienced crew is still going to have no problem raiding you. Your best bet is to make your base somewhere easy to defend from the inside by spamming foundations as we blow in
