Bow damage is too high

Xevyr · 2023-01-27T15:36:27.262Z

Also, while making suggestions is one thing…
I have to say at this point… you guys have been whining about everything literally one after another and getting things nerfed into uselessness…
Enough is enough @dorpie At this point I’m going to say that you guys are the in a very tiny minority so if the nerfs you got aren’t enough, then might I suggest you rent a private server, invite all the complainers there and adjust the bow damage to however you see fit…

Like, there’s a point after which people are just going to run out of patience with these threads…

prologue1337 · 2023-01-27T15:42:50.427Z

Bow damage is too low
Just like every weapon today

If you get dunked by a archer so easily there might be something wrong with your gear or the way you approach player using bow.

Call PvE players troll all you want, but PvP will always be a fight against unbalance… not gonna lie but Conan will never be a good PvP game unless they ruin PvE.

They’re not going to separate the 2…

dorpie · 2023-01-27T15:48:04.183Z

prologue1337:

If you get dunked by a archer so easily there might be something wrong with your gear or the way you approach player using bow.

Not really wrong with armor, no.

Xevyr:

Enough is enough @dorpie At this point I’m going to say that you guys are the in a very tiny minority so if the nerfs you got aren’t enough, then might I suggest you rent a private server, invite all the complainers there and adjust the bow damage to however you see fit…

U said, “u can kill a player with 0 str points” i asked u if u wanted to try.

And I dont think we are a minority just because of the forums. But you know, there’s players outside of forums aswell. And I can tell u that many of them agrees that bow needs to get a balance update.

It was a good weapon back in 2019 well balanced and such. Also strong. Most people were just to dumb to understand how to use it.

dorpie · 2023-01-27T15:51:10.690Z

Xevyr:

just put points in strength and people who only put points in Agility for bow damage won’t be able to do anything, right?

That’s the thing people dont go only 20 agi, everyone using 20-20-20 str, agi, vit.

Thing is, people have to understand stuff is unbalanced in the game. And bow is one of them and has been since 2.4. They tried to fix it with knockback nerf. But since cripple, and also perks changed it pretty much got even worse damage wise. You guys just dont see it, since u dont play the game as PVP players are playing it.

dorpie · 2023-01-27T15:52:45.004Z

prologue1337:

Call PvE players troll all you want, but PvP will always be a fight against unbalance… not gonna lie but Conan will never be a good PvP game unless they ruin PvE.

“Conan will never be a good PvP game” so you say it’s a good PVE game? I mean sure, building is fine. But bow balancing wont change anything with the way of building.

Because you cant mean the PVE part with NPC’s and thralls is great? They barely working.

SirDaveWolf · 2023-01-27T15:54:29.552Z

Let me just hop in and share my experiences. With a video ofc We did some 2v2 training fights there and bows got involved.

I would like @Taemien, @Xevyr and @prologue1337 to watch it.

What I would see with the bow is that it is more reliable. Most servers are laggy and it is hard to hit stuff because of the lagg. The bow should be changed, so it is more easy to land hits. (= reliable DPS)

This will require Funcom to reduce it’s damage, at least when you hit other players though.

Xevyr · 2023-01-27T16:03:52.534Z

SirDaveWolf:

What I would see with the bow is that it is more reliable. Most servers are laggy and it is hard to hit stuff because of the lagg. The bow should be changed, so it is more easy to land hits. (= reliable DPS)

This will require Funcom to reduce it’s damage, at least when you hit other players though.

Absolutely not the case.
The bow should be a skill-shot weapon with high risk high reward gameplay… not a “reliable” sustained DPS something… that is not in line with the core nature of the weapon…

What you need to ask for is to disable both target locking AND rolling thrust for bows (since it’s not exactly a thrust… )

And I’m fully aware of its damage, even without a video

I apologize if I seem harsh btw, it’s just that you guys have been doing this systematically lately… at this point I wouldn’t put it past you that it’s somehow organized and you’re doing these “let’s cancel this and that weapon” organized on some discord server with all of you taking turns to show up to comment to achieve the desired nerf, with Funcom being gullible enough to actually follow through…

dorpie · 2023-01-27T16:09:54.921Z

Xevyr:

I apologize if I seem harsh btw, it’s just that you guys have been doing this systematically lately

No PVP asks people for balance, and hords comes in and say “quiet PVP players you are not right I dont play PVP but I still knows it better than you.” And thats been going on systematically for years. And that’s why you dont see many of “us” here anymore

Btw, your suggestion is a nerf. You said you didnt want nerfs.

Crompox · 2023-01-27T16:14:04.290Z

Aragog:

You are stuck in an animation → bow user targets you → 50% HP gone
You need to run or you will eat another arrow when you try to use a potion.
Then you are 10% HP and anything can free you of your gearset.

I have a love hate relationship with the bow.

I love using it against enemies, but I hate getting hit by it.

Honestly, I don’t think they should be nerfed, if someone catches you out while you are “stuck” in the middle of mid-swing, well that means they’ve timed their attack well, and you, have not.

This is why you have to use the right weapon for the right situation. As Taemien said above, having a back-up shield is your best defence against this type of weapon, meaning; you can’t just run about everywhere with just one type of weapon, well you can of course, but don’t get upset if you end up dying because of it.

Adaption is the key, not asking for more nerfs (imo)

Xevyr · 2023-01-27T16:15:01.977Z

No @dorpie that is absolutely not the case.

PvP players do NOT ask for “balance”… they ask for nerfs… period.
And they don’t do it because something is truly overpowered… they do it because something that they DON’T want to use became annoying enough to where it matters… so you’re trying to “cancel” it…

That’s it, nothing else and even attempting to deny that is being disingenuous… why? Because it’s the nature of PvP / competitive games… that if something is ACTUALLY overpowered, then it becomes the meta… period… People don’t go around complaining about it… they adapt it and use it themselves and shut up about it.
It’s only when they don’t want to use it, but it “annoys” them, when PvP players start complaining.

If it was the case of wanting reasonable changes, then there are a LOT of people here who would support those suggestions, whether PvP or PvE players, the issue is that the suggestions you call “balance” are simply not reasonable… and they’re very blatantly ignorant towards everybody else…

dorpie · 2023-01-27T16:19:15.602Z

No we dont only look for nerfs lol. But difference between PVPers and player who only play PVE is that we can tell some stuff is not balanced between the both. And they cant.

So because something is OP you suggest people do all use it? Is it really that way you think FC wants stuff to work? I dont think so. Then it’s better that atleast some of us with knowledge from both PVP and PVE come and tell them that.

Like I have said earlier, perk system, the only part of the tree that is sort of balanced is Expertise, reason? It’s PVE related mostly. Rest, str, agi, vit, grit, and so on is combat related aswell. And FC have trouble fixing it.

But still YOU suggested a nerf with removal of rolling thurst for bow not me.

SirDaveWolf · 2023-01-27T16:20:40.603Z

Xevyr:

The bow should be a skill-shot weapon with high risk high reward gameplay

If it would at least be high risk. Well yes you can hit your teammates as well, but believe me, there are some real freaks out there that have mastered the bow

What I mean with high risk is, you can attack a charging bow main and yes he gets staggered, but he can still shoot an arrow in your face with fatal damage, before you can continue with the 2nd attack from your weapon. Daggers and Katanas are an exception, because they have fast attack chains.

Everyone is using 20 STR, 20 AGI, 20 VIT. Everyone can use a bow in PvP and deal a lot of damage. Before you had to specialize on bow, farm specific gear for the bow and also because of the ACCURACY attribute, giving you drawbacks on other things (which were melee damage and some HP).

Bow is insanely fun to use in PvP. But can also be extremely frustrating to use because hits are not connecting to a person directly in front of you due to the “spray”. Sometimes when you shoot and dodge, your arrow does not even get fired. Also the damage is sometimes inconsistent. That’s why I was suggesting more reliability. On long range it should do a lot of damage, because this is when you’ve earned it.

And this is where my suggestion comes:

Make arrow damage based on distance traveled and make arrows more reliable to hit based on your agility.

Xevyr · 2023-01-27T16:23:10.755Z

dorpie:

But still YOU suggested a nerf with removal of rolling thurst for bow not me.

No… that’s the thing, I suggested a nerf that YOU should be suggesting instead…
Why? Because that particular change would in the vast majority of cases only affect PvP…
And that’s where you guys are missing the mark… Everything you have been asking for COULD be done in a way to where it doesn’t affect everybody else…

Heck… why not ask for an armor set or modification kit that reduces ranged damage?
That would be useful for EVERYONE while solving your particular problem at the same time and doesn’t require nerfing another weapon…

These are the things I’m talking about, you just barge in here and in a totally ignorant fashion demand changes without any regard for anybody else…
And that’s the source of 99% of arguments and tension between PvP and PvE players around here… the attitude presented when jumping in to ask for “balance” changes.

dorpie:

And they cant.

I disagree with this…

dorpie:

So because something is OP you suggest people do all use it? Is it really that way you think FC wants stuff to work? I dont think so. Then it’s better that atleast some of us with knowledge from both PVP and PVE come and tell them that.

No, I am not suggesting you do that… what I am saying is that this is how it is… I never said it SHOULD be like this though.
What I said is that whenever something is truly OP then people use it instead of complaining about it…

You have @SirDaveWolf admitting in another thread that they don’t even like using the spear… but they’re using it… because it gives an advantage…
That’s the stuff I’m talking about… if bows were THAT reliable and that OP as you all present it… then I bet you would all be using it and reaping the benefits.

Xevyr · 2023-01-27T16:33:28.622Z

SirDaveWolf:

If it would at least be high risk. Well yes you can hit your teammates as well, but believe me, there are some real freaks out there that have mastered the bow

Oh I know! But isn’t that a good thing?.. Because not everybody mastered it like that and quite a lot of them will be fairly useless or won’t even consider using the bow…

If you indeed want to seek balance and protect the game itself and not just selfishly want to get rid of another playstyle, then wouldn’t that be a good thing? It means there’s variety in the game and someone can choose to master the bow… so if you’re a spear user then you either need to get out of their line of sight or get close to them.

SirDaveWolf:

Everyone is using 20 STR, 20 AGI, 20 VIT.

I see this as a bigger issue btw…
If it’s truly this much of a requirement and you MUST use this build… then the attribute system is not balanced for PvP and not the weapons…

Because some of the perks were definitely designed with PvP in mind, but because of this get no usage at all… I would ask for perks and attributes to be more balanced for PvP (they could add secondary PvP-only effects to them btw), instead of going around and pounding every single weapon into the ground…

SirDaveWolf:

Make arrow damage based on distance traveled and make arrows more reliable to hit based on your agility.

Isn’t that counter-intuitive for a PvP player? I mean… that moves into RPG territory and PvP players tend to be asking for changes that allow fights to be more skill reliant. Idk about that.
The perk in agi already makes them do more damage at higher distances though.

Bows also use hit location, with different damage based on bodypart.

Idk, it feels like there’s other things wrong with PvP balance that need to be addressed first

Xevyr · 2023-01-27T16:52:02.769Z

I’m gonna stop arguing here though. And again, apologies for getting annoyed.

I just don’t get why you guys are always taking the destructive approach that affects everybody for a problem that is PvP exclusive… and it’s the same like clockwork every time… I have never seen a PvP player jump in and present a solution that solves their problem but is considerate towards others… never…
It’s all just… “I got killed… I’m annoyed… I’ll go and suggest they nerf this as a knee-jerk reaction”…

You had several other options suggested above that could solve your issue but not make other people’s quality of game worse.

For example protective gear against arrows?.. Pick that and I’ll 100% support it and I think you’ll have the backing of every other PvE player as well here… it will solve your problem, not cause any arguments and it’s a universally beneficial thing that also fits from all sorts of warfare and lore perspectives

And these were just very sudden suggestions, I’m sure if you actually put your heads together and think about it in a considerate fashion, you can come up with a solution that isn’t a “nerf bow damage”…

Anyway, I’m out! Have fun

Taemien · 2023-01-27T17:08:14.024Z

Its just spearnoobs wanting everything else nerfed so they can have a chance and not be embarassed. They’re not real PVPers. Just offline raiders and duelers. Nothing more and irrelevant to real PVP. If someone got crazy enough to use a javelin and shield and merc’d these guys with them, they call for javs to be nerfed too.

dorpie · 2023-01-27T18:38:19.710Z

Xevyr:

I disagree with this…

So what you say is, combat is totally balanced? you cant believe how unbalanced the perks are in PVP. PVE isnt affected the same way the since you not fighting the same way against NPC’s as you do against real people with a brain.

Xevyr:

No, I am not suggesting you do that

No, im absolutley dont suggesting that?
Thats the main reason I want it to be balanced, I rather see weapons balanced.

Like for example. People hating on spear. Spear has been nerfed over and over again, people still play it because of the range. Without the range spear would been really trash. It has the lowest dmg, only hits forward, cant be canceled mid animation with dodge like other weapons, no hyperarmor. I never see PVE players want spear to get buffed? I only seen people wanted a nerf on it. Wich also is the reason to the nerfs.

PvP is more about balance than PVE, let’s say all weapons got nerfed except bow, PVE players still would play their favourite no matter what. PvP players in other hand, most of them will use the strongest option, and in this case 20-20-20 build is unbalanced in itself. I rather see they add agility to bow only and kept str to how it was before. That’s my suggestion on how to balance it out more.

Taemien · 2023-01-27T18:52:21.070Z

dorpie:

So what you say is, combat is totally balanced? you cant believe how unbalanced the perks are in PVP. PVE isnt affected the same way the since you not fighting the same way against NPC’s as you do against real people with a brain.

What is cute is you are literally talking to the one who created Conan Exiles’ damage meter. Very few have as much knowledge about how damage is applied as Xevyr right now. He’s seen formulas and algorithms and real numbers. You’ve seen bars get shorter.

dorpie:

Like for example. People hating on spear. Spear has been nerfed over and over again, people still play it because of the range. Without the range spear would been really trash. It has the lowest dmg, only hits forward, cant be canceled mid animation with dodge like other weapons, no hyperarmor. I never see PVE players want spear to get buffed? I only seen people wanted a nerf on it. Wich also is the reason to the nerfs.

This is quite a strawman you’ve built for yourself. There’s been zero calls for spears to be nerfed. The reason I hated spears is when my allies used them. I loved when my opponents did. If you want to gimp yourselves, that’s your business. But don’t bring other weapons to your level because of an inability to use a real weapon.

The closest anyone ever got to suggesting there is something wrong with a spear is showing evidence it strikes just a bit further than its model indicates. A single image shown in like one random thread that got forgotten. But I guarantee that if any other melee weapon did the same, you all would have 3-4 threads about it rolling daily.

Tuffman · 2023-01-27T19:01:42.453Z

I don’t care how unbalanced anything is in PvP. What I do care about is something being made utterly useless in PvE.

Side note, I’ve never played any competitive game where everything was perfectly balanced. And frankly, some things should be better situationally. PvP balance in a game like this is futile and a borderline joke. You chose to play a game mode based around a bunch of people trying to ruin each other’s day. So I guess it makes sense you’d be just as comfortable ruining the fun for PvE players too.

Dzonatas · 2023-01-27T19:10:21.985Z

dorpie:

and in this case 20-20-20 build is unbalanced in itself.

It was not obvious for them to choose either strength or agility? Hmm… yellow lotus potion still works?