Cleaning up my act plus a surprising twist

Happy Birthday @Barnes

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Notice Birthday cake… HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

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Happy birthday, @Barnes! :tada: :cake: :heart:

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Y’all are just the best! Showered with birthday wishes is a state I’m delighted to log on to!

I haven’t had time to take any snapshots, but I think you get the drift: originally I’d built one of my bases with the intention of claiming land all the way up to the NPC Camp near the base. Makes the front side hard to penetrate, kind of forcing an orb or arrow attack. There’s actual strategy here. It just makes me feel a bit wary playing and enjoying myself but ill-representing the game.

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Happy birthday :birthday:
Now that you are almost half way grown-up I am sure you will make the right choices and just do what you want Happy birthday to you.

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New rules, posted 9/13, to go into effect 9/27. Thank you everybody who made a civil and reasoned appeal.

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Honestly what really changed there? It’s still not straight. It does not specify what is restricted in building, what is considered foundation spam and NOTHING about ceiling stacking. This is just ridiculous - at this point we can clearly see they by themself don’t know what is right or wrong as they avoid answers, I have asked multiple times to mods / funcom zendesk support - NO answer.

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It can’t… that would only allow people to build on the line of right and wrong, and find a way to be an ass. And then counter Staff with “not against rules!” and keep being ass’s.

Case by Case basis is how it has to be… Staff has to look at it, and go… ya… thats fairly normal base, nothing bad. OR ya, there clearing walking line and trying to push it.

Rules are important… but its also important to remember the rules will also be used against you. You need a gray area.

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Seriously, I don’t know why this is so hard to understand. I’ve literally seen that kind of crap on Siptah PVE-C 6445, where more than one troll did everything they could to harass people they disliked, all the while saying things like “I didn’t wall them in” and “I didn’t block the access to a dungeon”.

And on the other extreme of the spectrum, we have very recently had someone on these forums state that your build shouldn’t be allowed to suppress a single resource node (e.g. a freaking bush), and if it does, it’s against the rules and you should be banned.

Never underestimate the human capacity for being a dick to someone else, out of sheer pettiness or just for shiggles.

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NO. Grey area is something we should avoid. CLEAR RULES should be written down clear as day and night. In case of situation like this they could always update rules. Now it’s just clownshow, and that’s causing report wars, hindering funcom support with tickets and NO CLEAR indication of what people can do or can not do. Don’t know what kind of logic comes from, it’s nonsense. As i said they clearly don’t know what’s legal or not anymore and don’t want to make decision, i have sent many questions with EXAMPLES to forum community managers, zendesk tickets about building claiming and stacking and got no answer back.

Seriously, I don’t know why this is so hard to understand. I’ve literally seen that kind of crap on Siptah PVE-C 6445, where more than one troll did everything they could to harass people they disliked, all the while saying things like “I didn’t wall them in” and “I didn’t block the access to a dungeon”.

That’s why rules should be adjusted in case something gets abused. That’s how all rulesets should work, that’s how you improve it if there’s hole but no… let’s just give up improving it and have grey area…

And on the other extreme of the spectrum, we have very recently had someone on these forums state that your build shouldn’t be allowed to suppress a single resource node (e.g. a freaking bush), and if it does, it’s against the rules and you should be banned.

Of course there will always be people like this, clear, straight rules should prevent that from happening, now it’s just report wars.

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There’s always a grey area. That’s like half of the reason why courts and lawyers exist in the first place. The other half is that the continued efforts to eliminate that grey area result in a language so abstruse that you need to study it for years in order to understand it :stuck_out_tongue:

But seriously, go ahead and give me the precise definition of “reckless driving”, expressed in a way that doesn’t leave any room for interpretation and doesn’t depend on anyone’s discretion.

The difference between Funcom’s rules and actual laws is that this is a videogame hosted by a private company, which means there are no courts and lawyers. And that, in turn, bothers a specific group of people who seem to expect the equivalent of the legislative and judiciary branch in a service that a private company offers for free.

I’ve been saying it since before they published any rules and I’ll keep saying it until it’s not necessary anymore: if you want high-quality server moderation executed in a timely manner, then pay for it. Right now, the only option is to rent a private server. If you want it on official servers, let’s switch to subscription model and see how well it goes down.

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Exactly!

Uhm, HELL NO!
A HUGE part of my enjoyment in playing this game are the fact that Funcom is kind enough to offer Official servers for FREE! Subscription model kills that for me (and probably a huge number of others). I don’t need to stick my hand in the fire to test it’s temperature.

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In 20 years of Admin-ing and Mod-ing… Grey area has always been better way.

Allows Staff/Mods to check things in case by case. Its more work…yes. But in ensures Trolls and Grievers can never hold there ground. And allows forgiveness to those who may or may not have known rules.

There are rules that should be hard-lined. At same time… you have to always assume someone doesn’t know.

Besides… people who don’t know rules, Is huge percent of player base who do not visit forums.

Lets be honest… you put a 200foundations width limit… Some Jack-ass will 100% go out of his boring basement dwelling life, to count your bases 201 and report you. The player who isn’t doing anything actually wrong at 201…

Its not very fair, since theres no Tools to help keep yourself in limits, or everyone being forced to read ToS when entering a server.

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This is the rule I try to follow, I think everyone would benefit from Wheaton’s Law

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How to understand if my base is too large or normal, I don’t want my base to be demolished without warning because of its size, what is the block limit? How to understand? Funcom was going to demolish the bases, but where are the clear rules ???

There. Is. No. “Block limit”.

The rules are not about the number of building pieces. They never have been about the number of building pieces and they never will be about the number of building pieces, because if they decide they want to limit that, they will implement it just like they implemented the follower limit.

If your base gets “demolished because of its size”, it will not be because you had N+1 building pieces instead of N. They’re not looking for people who build big.

They’re looking for people who build without any limits until the whole server is bogged down with their theme parks to the point where just teleporting to an obelisk makes everyone start lagging no matter where they are.

They’re looking for people who think it’s really clever to place hundreds of torches in one spot so that anyone who enters the render distance will lag so much they’ll think they’re watching a PowerPoint presentation on Conan Exiles.

They’re looking for people who take fence foundation stacking to such an extreme that the server is about to catch fire when it tries to send the data to the client.

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Yeah yeah grey are… Sounds great on paper only for PvE / PvP-C servers. I never said there should be exact rules like 200 foundations max, just be more specific and ffs just mention something about stacking. Simple yes or no ffs but they choose not to say anything so they can ban anyone on wish depending on mood. They could also said something about treb land claiming, maybe mention about blocking unique resources (like t4 named thrall that only spawns there), is blocking lore stones prohibited, amount of bases is it limited or not?

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And there we go again. Only PVP has problems with people abusing the building system, we PVE(-C) players don’t know what we’re talking about :roll_eyes:

Seriously, when do you people get tired of that?

More specific how? They said that you shouldn’t block the content, you shouldn’t claim just to block others from building, and shouldn’t build to make others lag.

Oh, but they didn’t mention stacking, so it’s not specific enough for you. And they didn’t define how many building pieces you can use, so it’s not specific enough for KurTv7. And they didn’t specify whether it’s different on a full moon, so it won’t be specific enough for someone else.

Let’s see, what is treb land claiming? Is it what we call it when you put down blocks for no other purpose than to prevent other players’ access to a spot where they could build a trebuchet? You know, that rings a bell, almost as if there was something in the rules about “abuse of the claim system where blocks are placed for no other purpose than to prevent other players’ access to resources and building spots”, but I can’t quite put my finger on it…

Yes, I’m sure that if they don’t spell that out, people who read the part of the rules where they say you shouldn’t block content in the game will have no idea whether that’s okay or not.

Same as above.

Yes, I heard Joel himself say that they’re definitely going to ban you if the number of bases you have is divisible by 7 but not by 5…

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And there we go again. Only PVP has problems with people abusing the building system, we PVE(-C) players don’t know what we’re talking about :roll_eyes:

Seriously, when do you people get tired of that?

Don’t you understand that those gamemodes are different? We CAN blow buildings and do more abuse in this game mode, so we need more strict rules, could be diffrerent than your pve safe world, i don’t mind.

More specific how? They said that you shouldn’t block the content, you shouldn’t claim just to block others from building, and shouldn’t build to make others lag.

Oh, but they didn’t mention stacking, so it’s not specific enough for you. And they didn’t define how many building pieces you can use, so it’s not specific enough for KurTv7. And they didn’t specify whether it’s different on a full moon, so it won’t be specific enough for someone else.

More specific, is it only spamming ugly blocks considered landclaim spam, or building few towers is?

Let’s see, what is treb land claiming? Is it what we call it when you put down blocks for no other purpose than to prevent other players’ access to a spot where they could build a trebuchet? You know, that rings a bell, almost as if there was something in the rules about “abuse of the claim system where blocks are placed for no other purpose than to prevent other players’ access to resources and building spots”, but I can’t quite put my finger on it…

Treb land claim is to build to prevent someone from building treb very close to base. I can accept that we should not spam single pieces of foundations just to prevent it but… What about me building one base, and 5 small defense towers around it that looks cool, preventing people from building treb there - is it legit? Right now it is and it’s not at same time. That’s the problem.

What do you personally think, it should be punished with ban or not?

Yes, I’m sure that if they don’t spell that out, people who read the part of the rules where they say you shouldn’t block content in the game will have no idea whether that’s okay or not.

Aaand again, what’s wrong with specifically mention things just like that? It’s just straightforward understandable, no question about it. One may think blocking content is for example blocking one bear spawn, which is not unique, there’s hundred bears somewhere else.

Yes, I heard Joel himself say that they’re definitely going to ban you if the number of bases you have is divisible by 7 but not by 5…

You heard what? It’s just idiotic that this is something we have to do brainstorms by ourselves if it’s legit or not and have sleepless nights wonder if i got banned :wink: Not sure are you serious with that one tho.