Funcom flaw - blanket punishment

[CodeMage]

@Nemisis

So what happens if one of those people who are on 12 hours after you says something? Do I deserve a ban for that?

Depends on what they said. Did they say something racist? Did they call someone a “dirt farmer” (another lovely example from Conan Exiles)? In other words, did they verbally harass someone? If so, then yeah, they and you deserve the ban.

It’s funny how everyone who defends the verbal harassment in Conan Exiles always acts as if the very first ban is always permanent. It isn’t. Hell, Funcom doesn’t even permaban undermeshers right from the start, and I’m willing to be they don’t do it for people who spew toxic crap in chat.

Did you team up, by accident, with someone you didn’t know was a racist c*nt? Tough luck, you got banned for a few days and you’ll be back. Get over it and choose your team more carefully.

@Nemisis

And what do we do with those people? We ignore them.

Or we complain loudly until they face the consequences of their behavior. And then people who think that the word “free” in “free speech” means “free from consequences” get outraged about cancel culture and cry crocodile tears.

@englou

i love how people assume its racism

Please point out where I assumed that your particular case is about racism? The mentions of racism in this thread stem from the discussion of the rules and the general defense of “trash talk”. And it’s not just racism that we’re discussing. Go read the rules. I even quoted the relevant section of the rules in this thread.

As for your specific case, I stand by my original point: you stayed with the clan that got banned once. That was a risk you assumed. Guess what? Sometimes risks don’t pay off.

@Crash90

Except its a game where we escape from these kind of real life experiences.

No, you don’t. It’s in the rules.

@Crash90

The whole point of this is its unfair that a whole clan should be punished for something another player did and then not tell you who or what they did.

Now, that I can agree with. They should tell everyone involved exactly why they got banned. I understand why they don’t, but I disagree with them.

@Crash90

Honestly its just lazy.

It’s not lazy. It’s to avoid “rules lawyering” and other similar problems.

@helium3

Funcom is not going to ban an entire clan just because one member of that clan is spouting racist garbage in chat.

I’m not sure about that, honestly. This is what the rules say:

@Ignasi

Clan and personal responsibility

It falls under your responsibility to make sure not to break any of these guidelines and when in doubt, please contact any of our staff in our forums.

It also falls under your responsibility to make sure no one in your clan is abusing game mechanics or partaking in continued harassment. Do not associate under any circumstances with players you suspect are hacking, exploiting or abusing any of the guidelines above. If you suspect any of them are partaking in such actions, please report them to our staff and distance yourself or your clan from these players.

It is also your responsibility to know which clans you’re currently a member of, on any official server. If you are not going to be active in a server, please remember to leave the clan or ask to be kicked from it after a certain period of time.

Ignorance to these actions and guidelines will not be taken into consideration when appealing any possible restrictions put in place against your account due to this oversight.

The rules seem pretty clear on that account. As in real life, ignorance of the rules isn’t a valid defense. Would it be better if they wrote a special clause that says that verbal harassment will be treated on individual basis? Maybe. Or maybe using a warning ban for first offense is enough.

At any rate, this whole claptrap about poor innocent people who just happened to be in the same clan with someone who verbally harassed someone else is the same claptrap we see in real life with people crying “cancel culture” because they can’t get away with saying hateful stuff anymore. I’m soooo heartbroken for them.