has been part of building for many of years even in ancient times with the Romans,Greek, Chinese and Japanese as well as many others heck you even see them in the game Norse especially frankly it needs to be implemented simple horizontal beams need to be added to not only help with floor stability but ceiling as well the support of just pillars and vertical beams are not enough when it comes to building in Conan. this will also cut down on alot of major lag and also the placement of many many and i mean many pillars.
Pretty sure what Raziel is describing is more akin to Pythagoras Support Beams then the Decorative beams you reference. But yes, in either case, the beams in the mod, or the previous decorative beams that used to have support would cause abuse. Which is why a version of the Support Beams for official servers can never happen, it’s way to subject to exploitative behaviors.
The previous decorative beams were designed to basically just add 20 support or something to something, a cheap pillar if you will. But then people found a way to exploit them (I know how and what Funcom had to do to address it, but not sure I’m allowed to say even though how it can be exploited has LONG ago been patched in). So they made them into decorative beams and that’s that.
The modded ones? Not sure what you refer to here, the only beams that I know of that are vanilla that you previously described are the two decorative beams. The strut, which is vertical, and the diagonal beam that connects to a wall.
No, the vanilla ones that offer no stability but are decorative only. Most of the time I can’t get them to snap if the ceiling piece is a wedge. It’s one of the relatively few building systems I haven’t quite “grokked” yet, but I’ll admit I haven’t given much thought to it either, I tend to just add them where I feel they’d fit, and if the game will allow me without a struggle.
Ah that’s possible, I thought they were talking about the ones from the base game that used to provide stability.
Yeah that’s alright, I think I know, too (on a general level anyway) what the problem was, but I never bothered to actually find out so I can’t say for sure. Not having to worry about that kinda thing is one of the great joys of PvE gameplay As I understood it, it was simply not worth the monumental design effort to make them non-exploitable, so they made them decorative, done deal.
Ya, as originally envisioned, pretty much no way to do it I don’t think. I plan on revisiting my own mods that offer a really broken duct taped approach to see if the year I’ve spent dinking around with the socket system has made me learn a few tricks. At least the vertical beams. The diagonal ones, heck freaken no, definitely super not possible ha ha.
The vertical beams I have a new modded one (for Pythagoras Support Beams) designed that’s been, “reinforced” so that it can act as a Pillar instead but still slot into the side of a foundation instead of the middle. It works pretty dang well if I do say so myself. Funcom could probably take that approach if they wanted, but the Decorative Beams were originally designed to be weak supports (so not full on like Pillars). That right there is what’s probably not possible to do.
This statement right here is why we can’t have nice things. Every time we get something, anything that benefits non-PvP play, the whining and abuse kick into high gear.
Sword of Crom means a thrall one shots us because we don’t take the time to get our own…Nerf it.
Lifeblood is no fair…We’ll cut it down to the near useless level because reasons.
We could use “X”…NO! “X” will be abused in the PvP servers.
When we played PvP, I was tasked with gathering Legendary weapons for the clan. Do you know how many times I ran into other clans in the Undead City? Once. I gathered 50+ weapons in one week, so I was in there for a while.
This is a perfectly reasonable approach to an infuriating problem. If someone thinks it will be “unfair” in PvP, they don’t have to have access to it, now do they?
It’s not the abuse that’s the issue necessarily, but the lack of effort the devs have toward correcting an issue or a set of issues or simply doing their homework for starters. The lack forms in different ways so it doesn’t always form from laziness at all times, or solely at least, but we shall see what happens.
lol dont even get me started on the sword of crom to be honest i think the way they did it and this is just my opinion is garbage. where the pred blade does more damage with light the sword of crom does more damage with heavy there is balance there and with high strength it makes it about or close to the pred blade. we are the hero’s of the game and we are the ones doing all the work farming plus to even get them. needless to say the life spear is now broken too ugh cant win for loosing in this. and as far as them being a problem for pvp never knew that but I again in my own opinion would like to maybe see a revised version but as was said it is doubtful this is a shame that ppl cant just play the game instead of exploiting the problems and making it harder for others esp builders. this is so immature for ppl to do this and frankly i wouldn’t waste my time with any of them just keeping it real here.
What’s really sad is that they don’t just have some way of balancing things on a server by server basis… (Take the Bandit leader for instance… People complained he was too easy to farm for, but instead of adjusting the spawn rates they just made him untamable… and then they also nerfed the HP of the ones we already had… Was it really necessary to do both? Couldn’t they have just adjusted the spawn rate to put him in line with the other named thralls that can sometimes spawn in Sep?)
Blinks Oh god the overhead costs on that alone, gah. Can’t even think about it. But no, they can’t simply offer a spawn table up that’s different for every server configuration and possibility. Not without taking a steep development cost and redesign of the current implemented system.
Why? He was basically a free Thrall without having to do much effort when comparing to other Tier 4 Thralls. His intended purpose is to drop loot, not to form an army of him. Nerfing his spawn rates nerfs his intended actual purpose.
Though all of that is not really what is intended to be discussed for this suggestion thread (though it’s more or less ran it’s course).
i got to reading about the idea of joisting all the comments and isn’t the job of a admin to moderate the server if ppl are using such things as exploiting ect. frankly i don’t think this is a excuse even for pvp. if you have a server and are a admin or a mod isn’t it your job or those under you to see the problems and moderate the issues. I mean i understand ppl don’t want to be bothered but you cant simply put a server up not expecting issues to arise. I know there may be issues with certain admins esp those who abuse but those kinda ppl shouldn’t no offense be admins in the first place. to get to the point here the whole pvp aspect of this issue which everyone has a opinion which is fine but really to remove it from a pvp server because ppl were using it to exploit is something that strikes me as odd to be honest something with that does not sit right with me i think there is something more to it. Let alone the diagonal supports do nothing as far as supporting ceiling for floors. esp when your using a lot of pillars to begin with in the first place. and only 20 for support now i know there is something wrong with that seeing pillars alone have 100 percent stability declarative beams really add nothing to the stability to a build. but being on ps4 there’s also no room for modding at least i don’t think so.
You mean like this one? Where the mod author has to recreate the data table every patch because he apparantly likes pain? Na I wouldn’t know anything about that.
As I understood it, it was simply not worth the monumental design effort to make them non-exploitable, so they made them decorative, done deal.