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Not wanting to derail with who knows conan lore best tbh was just a suggestion as the limited control is a bit short.
Was more to get say a demon counted as follower just in case we want to use 2 with auth 4 perk for a sligtly longer time.
Not really suggested for control longer than 24 hours.

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Lord of the Black River.

Have you read it? I have.

But also:
Conan the Freelance
Conan the Buccaneer
Conan the Swordsman
Conan the Valorous

Have you read these? I have.

Each feature a demonic pet in tow of a villain. Various kinds, various makes, some only feature for a brief moment, others are a major plot point.

There are literally dozens more.

They usually keep these secrets in books. You should read more.

Try also:
The Gods of the Mountain
At the Demon’s Gate
The Treasure of Python
The Emerald Lotus

I think I’ve named several there.

Cheers

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And let’s not forget that in the original Phoenix on the Sword the wizard bound a demon to do his bidding with the ring of Set.

So…yeah.

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You’re all good mate, great ideas keep them coming.

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Not by REH

Not by REH

Not by REH

I think I’ll stick to what’s canon, instead of basing my ideas on purely expanded works with no original sources to ground the claim in reality.

There is no confirmation this is a “pet”; rather a one time summon, that doesn’t live long enough to confirm it’s permanence.

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Lol another good one. The demon beast did his bidding, obeyed him. It’s not a slave because it’s not a person, so yeah, it’s a follower/pet alright. Lol

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You’re not wrong, but the point I’m trying to make is that you should at least have one original story to base your claim off; as by expanding the scope of canon without acknowledging the originals just creates plot holes and inconsistencies. The ever-shifting goalpost is a dangerous slope and saying everything is canon just because it can be waters down the canon to a point where everything and nothing become one and the same.

First of all, incredibly rude. I can assure you I’ve read more than my fair share of lore, and if you knew who I am you’d have known that. Pretty ignorant of you to assume I haven’t.

For a period of time, yes. As would the existing demon summons in the game. This doesn’t prove it’s a permanent pet whatsoever; which if we cut out the mental gymnastics for a minute here is the point of this entire now-pointless argument.

I’m not sure if you’re just trying to project your arrogance as a means of validation for something; but I don’t consider joe nobody’s point valid if they go full insulting when their lack of core source material understanding shines through.

Maybe take a deep breath, step back from the keyboard for a bit and go read a book. Not a book loosely based on another book with plenty of creative liberties taken; but the original book.

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Original story to base claim:
Phoenix on the Sword.

Plus, no you don’t have to base a claim on an original story. That’s not what canon means.

Sigh.

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Yeah sorry @Mbeat but none of those are canon and as such none of those example are worth the paper they are printed on. They may very well be good stories, but that is not relevant. They are, ultimately, published fan-fic.

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Are you even keeping up? The discussion is on permanent summons. Not one that gets chopped up on the immediate next page. That is the original point @2cents brought up, and has since been debunked by @Tephra and @Kapoteeni, as well as myself.

You have still failed to provide an argument that you inserted yourself into, to be a contrarian. Your point so far seems to be you just want to argue, with no footing on what to argue over.

Yes, you do. Because if I use your goalposts and shift them around, Fortnite is canon because of comic crossovers. There’s a line on what expanded works are expanding the canon, and which ones are overwriting canon in favor of being a loose fanfic.

Sigh.

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Nope, they are not fan fiction. Sorry mate but I’ll correct you. Those authors were a select number commissioned by the Howard Estate, to expand on the world of Conan, and those novels are officially listed as canon by publishers. They were specially selected, they didn’t apply. There is Conan fan fiction, written by Joe Nobodies that you can read on websites etc, but that’s not what the Tor novels are. The Tor novels are officially distinguished from fan fiction by academic sources. Sorry dude, this is not opinion, I am basing this off what the Howard Estate has published about them. You can read about it in a book called “Cambridge Companion to Fantasy Literature” by Edward James, as well as “Barbarian Life” Vol 3 by Roy Thomas. For a work to be deemed “canon” it has to be selected and appraised as such by critical scholars. These scholars have listed the Tor novels as a part of the Robert E Howard collection of stories. They are canon.

Cheers.

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Lol you don’t know what canon means. Fortnight is not Marvel canon.

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Lol you’re hilarious. Thanks!

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I’m starting to suspect you don’t either…

At this point you don’t even have anything valid to say besides trying to talk down to everyone else about how you’re so much smarter because you can list books not written by REH. Nevermind you still haven’t proven your original point at all, just deflect and divert to how everyone else is wrong.

And so I’m dipping out of this thread, because it’s clear nothing of value is to come from it. Best of luck to you, Joe Nobody.

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Printed in Cambridge Companion to Fantasy Literature…? Sorry, it’s pretty clear that you don’t know what canon is or how it makes it’s way onto a list. These books are published by academics, not me. Lol.

You won’t change your mind, so enjoy ignorance my friend.

I won’t reply anymore.

Cheers.

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To be fair, I don’t believe any author outside of REH even considered their own contributions to the franchise to be canon. But instead a derivative or inspired work.

Especially considering REH passed away before any of those were published. The only grey area is works written by REH but published after his death.

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BINGO!

Jimbo, you can put your mind at ease. He clearly doesn’t. He hasn’t a clue at all, he only know what pushes his narrative regardless of facts or reason.

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Lol…lets just pretend i didnt suggest a longer timer on the demon followers, or using more than one

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Umm why? Canon is decided by academic appraisal, not public opinion. Why don’t you know this?

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Canon is determined by the holders of the IP. That’s it. Nobody else.

Funcom owns the IP and they seem to be sticking to the core content (including Lovecraft) as canon.

Whatever works were licensed in the past (or even in the future) should be assumed non-canon until Funcom makes them canon.

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