If you think lightning storm is OP or busted

Capt_insano0 · 2022-09-24T22:25:00.102Z

TeleTesselator:

haven’t tested since 3.0.2… Have any of you?

I’ve tested and seen first hand. I’d rather not keep going back and forth it’s clear you two like the lighting storm and will say anything to keep it as is. @Anomiaz has hardly tested anything and it’s very obvious when people start questioning him.

TeleTesselator:

I don’t think he is. In fact I think he’s way under-counting!

Ok so you are saying there are more than 30 immune build spots from the lighting storm… please enlighten me with your secrets or are you just being one of the forum clowns he is referring to?

Anskuaa · 2022-09-24T23:02:04.426Z

Can confirm it goes through H6 without issues, same with jungle temples and gutter. Also on siptah cave at 9E LS rips down whole base

Id say its more about knowing how to use it to make damage, its not like you just whip it out and base gone boom. Its extremely easy but still need to use brains while summoning it.

TeleTesselator · 2022-09-25T00:12:53.666Z

Capt_insano0:

it’s clear you two like the lighting storm and will say anything to keep it as is.

No, honestly I don’t really give a crap. I like it as it is… AND… I will like it when and if they change it. I won’t like it if they remove it from the game all together but even that, not really a big deal.

Capt_insano0:

Ok so you are saying there are more than 30 immune build spots from the lighting storm… please enlighten me with your secrets

Ha! No way! Secrets told, are not secrets!

But all seriousness aside, I know the maps fairly well, I spend a lot of time in the admin panel flying all around or running the map at 3 to 7x speeds… I even know all the terrain outside the wall in EL. So, given that, I would estimate that there are 50 to 75 legit locations in EL that I assume would be lightning proof. Again though, I don’t think any of this matters much if they remove the one-hit anomaly. LS will further reduce the security of hoarders and so called “alpha clans” but that’s a good thing… a VERY good thing… a FREAKING EXCELLENT thing!

I like games with flat and even playing fields. I’m a Quake III Arena player so I’m very partial to games without levels, classes, special gear, or pay to win nonsense. CE isn’t too bad because pretty much everyone is (or can be) on the same level with the same weapons and gear within about 100 hours of play - 200 for the clueless. This is one of the reasons I like CE more than other games. Unfortunately CE is currently suffering (financially) from the low vertical ceiling and needs to flatten it out - which is what they seem to be trying to do with some of new features - cosmetic and gameplay. But I do digress…

HomelessDave · 2022-09-25T00:19:41.007Z

you must have got lucky

aZaDa · 2022-09-25T00:56:11.584Z

I have raided all the cave bases with lightning, it meshes through just gotta keep moving around. Also raided underwater vaults with it. Its broken.

Snake · 2022-09-25T10:27:20.172Z

Dzonatas · 2022-09-25T13:40:53.083Z

Can we see a video like that but without the stacked foundations. Use regular walls, roofs, ceilings, etc.

Capt_insano0 · 2022-09-25T14:16:43.165Z

There’s already been tons of videos on it. Wak even did it. The devs have acknowledged somewhere that it does to much damage but unfortunately everyday they wait to fix things more and more people leave

Zeatros · 2022-09-25T18:40:26.691Z

I can confirm that lighting is a hit or miss at the moment, i had a base at 6H exile land and was getting raided for a week straight by lightning, take not its in a long cave , and some days the lightning never went threw the base and other times it would constantly hit the inside passing threw the map walls , also i raided a base at g10 and it was the same story sometimes the lightning done nothing other times it went straight threw the mesh and destroyed stations. So lightning at the moment is very strong but also very weak depending on your luck. I would personally just add a anti magic item to the game like the god bubble, and increase the time it takes to summon , because know you have to be on contantly at raid time incase a someone lightnings your base ,

unclesid25 · 2022-09-25T20:10:28.650Z

You made some good points and I can appreciate the time and effort to create the post. I have a few counterpoints to consider, that in my humble opinion, should be reviewed in a balance pass.
If lighting is meant to do that much damage- It deletes an entire portion of the games current raid mechanics (gods, trebs, explosives) which all take much more resources, time and tactics to use.
In the regards to the “too big to fail bases” from the OP- It seems strange to me that upgraded work benches and the need for multiple benches and larger sizes of benches require larger bases and time to use these. When they can be deleted in under a 5 min attack with lighting… Maybe there is an opportunity to view this from the single players building experience? The argument that “big clans get what they deserve” is strange to me given those same clans can use the same mechanic X however many folks are in the clan.
Lastly, I have viewed some opinions on “well you have to be corrupt and have a low health pool and have to farm mats and have to unlock sorcery so there is time and effort”. Unfortunately that is NOT TRUE. You get multiple lightning pots (that take zero cast time and zero corruption and zero sorcery to use) in the battle pass (which can be unlocked in single player and consumed on official servers in their current state).

For official servers- I think lightning needs a balance pass. If officials had a wipe date/ timer that would be different. But in the current sandbox is does not fit the time= effort/ result in my opinion.

Anomiaz · 2022-09-27T07:22:22.797Z

Straight lies about the gutter and surrounding structures. Got stormed for 6 hours a day 4 days in a row and didn’t even lose a ceiling at gutter.

Now, I am willing to concede it may be server specific; maybe there’s something we don’t know about it.

But no. It does not harm the gutter.

Striker00X · 2022-09-27T15:22:19.028Z

Lmao DUDE

You came on here right out the gate lecturing players for having a maladaptation issue

And most of what you used as your argument is DEBUNKED on videos already long ago now

There are videos on Reddit of keyhole and cave bases getting completely wiped, Why? Because they are addressing the issue that lightning goes through world structure and bubbles as well

Never again come to preach when you don’t know wtf you’re talking about

Anomiaz · 2022-09-28T18:29:51.759Z

I guess that’s why my bases at keyhole and gutter took zero damage from hours LS, because I don’t know wtf I am talking about

But I guess I’ll just CAPITALIZE my WORDS or maybe bold them because it is a maladaptation issue

Anskuaa · 2022-09-29T09:33:01.174Z

Sounds like you got lucky or the ones who where summoning it werent clever enough to realise how to get it so it goes through it doesnt make my experience a lie tho

literally no cave base is safe and the current state is just driving people to play small insteed of having normal bases.

azaroth · 2022-09-29T10:02:43.663Z

it will be same with pillar, ceilleing, regular roof etc…

stacked ceiling which is forbidden and considered as exploit make LS little bit less effective… no comments…

demonado · 2022-09-29T11:03:38.432Z

But then again, it’ll no longer be “build anywhere”, but “build in caves ONLY”. Everyone cram into tiny holes and claim to be Burrow King. It’s survival yes, but at the loss of sunlight and real civilization. I don’t think Lightning storm is doing more good than the harm it has done.

HEREX · 2022-09-29T13:00:02.403Z

Keyhole 100% not immune to lightning. It definitely hits inside you you cast in the correct spots.

Capt_insano0 · 2022-09-29T13:09:37.380Z

“Well I guess I’m lying about my bases that survived 100s of hours of ls storms” bla bla bla

It’s evident this conversation will go around and around and some people obviously love the lighting storm for it’s cheesy mechanics

Anomiaz · 2022-09-29T18:18:36.466Z

Yes

However I dislike LS because it devalues organized raiding and bombs, and adds additional unnecessary destruction to bases. Scout, boom boom, get out with loot.

I don’t think it’s OP, just lame.

Biggins · 2022-09-29T18:41:10.238Z

SirDaveWolf:

LS currently goes through meshes and they also strike at random,

What meshes? I’ve personally tested several build locations that have not had LS go through mesh. So I’m curious as to what the difference is. Are some meshes immune and others not? Maybe I’m misunderstanding “mesh”.

Thanks.