I watched the X-Files too :slight_smile: I really enjoyed it!

Oh, I know… that show was literally made so it’s much easier to cover these things up as they can just say people saw it in a movie, right?

I like this part!

Nah nah naa naaaaah… That’s just the aliens making you THINK that mind control rays are a work of science fiction… and you know what they’re using to accomplish that?.. YES! Mind-control rays!

I’ll take two, thank you!

:thinking: can they do body-hair removal too?

Are you trying to mock the published scientific journals of today? :thinking:


Anyway, this thread became much more interesting than I initially gave it credit for! We’re slowly moving into entertainment territory!

(sorry, I’ll crawl back to my corner now and be a good boy!)

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Actually no. Never sat and watched X-Files. Seen bits and pieces over the years, but never watched even a single episode all the way through. :wink:

Probably, but it would also likely give you cancer. (One of the little hiccups in ■■■■■■■ around with human DNA that we’re still trying to iron out.) So, sadly, we’re all still stuck with lasers, wax or an old fashioned razor blade. On the other hand lasers are cool, so… :upside_down_face:

I recommend it! It’s one of those things that aged really well and doesn’t feel awkward in even todays TV show expectations :smiley:

I was the same, only seen bits and pieces in the past, but not too long ago started watching it from the start and was pleasantly surprised as I thought I’d hate it after being spoiled by all the modern stuff.

Anyway, I watched it up to season 7 last year and then kinda lost track and did other stuff like making mods for conan etc. lol

Dammit :angry: the one thing… and they can’t even do that right…

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The gain may not be immediately apparent though. Just because you can’t see it doesn’t mean it isn’t there. In fact the gain may simply be that it facilitates some other “sneaky action”. A rather simplified example might be a criminal group having one of their men hired on as a janitor somewhere. Seems silly because there’s no way having a guy work as a janitor could give them money or power. Until you realize that as a janitor, he’s got access to every floor in the building.

But yes, the end goal, no matter how many layers there are, is almost always somehow related to money and power.

Glurin is correct on this one. As a farmer who has to have radio frequency tags in all my animals, the technology was around about 25 years ago to put a chip under the skin of an animal that had a scannable code in it for identification purposes. The idea that you put on in a human isnt a conspiracy theory or faked tik tok video, it exists. Im sorry if you think that it means people can shoot webs or laser from these chips, but they exist, and they serve a purpose (evil or not, thats another discussion)

Nemisis, perhaps you may want to re-read what he said then. Yes, they have been putting micro-chips in pets / farm animals for about 25 years ago. That dates back to the late 90’s at best. Not the 1950/60’ as he is claiming. THAT is quite a leap in time for such technology to have been existing considering what thing like computers of that day an age looked like (taking up most of a room).

And again, the ability to put a micro-chip into someone isn’t the question. He is making the claim that some amorphous group of evil overlords or whomever ARE doing it AGAINST YOUR WILL specifically for the purpose OF CONTROLLING YOU. That is the conspiracy. Not the ability to stick a micro-chip under someone’s skin, but the fact that “they” are doing it without “you” knowing it and that “they” are “controlling you” with them.

So @Nemisis, are you still willing to agree with him? I mean, are you controlling the behaviors of your farm animals via these chips, or are they literally just for tracking purposes?

But isn’t that all the chip does? I mean, the scanner identifies the chip, and not the animal connected to the chip. There’s no communication happening between the chip and the animal, so you could not remote control the sheep, and the sheep could not remotely order extra food if it was hungry.

I played a Transformer character in a tabletop RPG campaign. In our universe, my character and some shady government people had created the Transformers comics specifically to dismiss any sightings as “fan fantasies”.

Curiously, a short time after our campaign ended, I started seeing a car with an uncanny resemblance to my character in my home town. Maybe they’re coming for me because I accidentally got too close to the truth.

Why should they do that? Once a new MS version gets its final release they stop updates and support for the old one. So you either upgrade /buy or live with an outdated MS version and risk getting infected with malicious software much easier.

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The way I read the conversation, the idea of the chips was a separate idea then the mkultra experiments from the 50/60’s. my only point was the technology has been available for decades to put chips into something or someone.

The tags I use are for identification purposes only. I can’t speak as to what a chip can do to something because I don’t know much about that.

One thing I’ve learned over the last number of years though is this: you may think something is a conspiracy theory, and you can ask for proof to prove it’s truth. But as much as you can say “it’s not real because I haven’t seen proof of it”, the other side can say “can you say with 100% certainty that it’s not plausible?

In recent years, just remember, we were all told that covid came from a bat. The lab leak was a conspiracy theory until a couple years later when the evidence shows it was manipulated and made in a lab.

Don’t dismiss the crazy ideas. We live in an age when anything is possible. Heck, we have ships on the seas with lasers for self defence.

No the chips can’t control animals, but in the case of dairy barns they do quite a bit of information gathering.

For example, a milk cow walks through a scanner. The ID is recorded and a computer program opens on the barns computer and shows all the data from that cow. How much her diet is, how much milk she’s produced over time etc. it can calculate based on that data how much grain she needs while milking and more or less is given depending on its production. All that information is possible due to the chip.

Now, considering how fast AI is developing, and our understanding of automation and technology, we are just scraping the surface of possibilities. Do we have mind control technology right now being implemented? I doubt it. It’s is a possibility or probability in the future? I’d say you’re crazy to say no. A brain just sends electrical signals through the body. We have medical technology that stimulates such things by man made electrical signals.

Can both be put together and have the conspiracy come true? We will in time. Will it be used for evil? Look at history. It’s all about power, so yes, eventually, this technology will be used for bad things.

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Kind of like your research model. You only do part of it and come to a definitive conslusion of conspiracy theory.

your m.o. on everything. Doesn’t need to be real to be…real.

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Holy shіt, this is still going?

I mean, I’m not surprised that rational discussion isn’t changing the minds of those who like conspiracy theories, I’m surprised that talking to them is apparently engaging enough for both sides to keep this thread alive for a full week :smiley:

Well, let’s contribute then.

And the “other side”, in this case, is being obtuse. The question isn’t whether it’s plausible, the question is whether it’s real. If you come to me and tell me that I should be worried because of X, I’ll ask you to give me evidence of X. If you have no evidence or your evidence does not hold up, then all I’m left with is the idea that I should be worried because X “might be plausible”.

There are multiple reasons the burden of proof is on those who make the claim. One of those reasons is that I could accuse you of pedophilia, for example, and you can’t really prove you aren’t a pedophile. Hell, no one can tell if someone else is a pedophile just by looking at them. You could be hiding it extremely well.

Yes, that’s how it works. A conspiracy theory is a conspiracy theory until there is evidence, and then it’s not a conspiracy theory anymore. The evidence might uncover an actual conspiracy, or it might uncover something else, but the key concept here remains the same: it’s the evidence that matters, and it’s the people looking for that evidence who are doing something useful.

Everyone else who is simply parroting a conspiracy theory because they heard it elsewhere and it might be plausible is not actually doing anything useful, even though they love to think they are.

Is it? I just tried closing my eyes and concentrating very hard on teleporting myself to my mom’s place, but it didn’t work. I guess I’ll have to wait to have enough vacation time and money and then spend more than 12 hours on a plane or two.

It seems some crazy ideas can be dismissed after all.

But thats every scientific theory, or idea that people have. You tell me something, and I consider this: Is it plausible that its true? I cant say for certainty that it is or isnt, and that doesnt mean its a lie. Just like the examples above that others used, one side says “prove its real” and the other says “prove its not”. I agree the burden of proof is on the one making the claim, but Ive seen plenty of times when a claim is made, and people provide their proof and its still dismissed. Heck, weve seen that in these forums over the years.

I think people have turned into this, because all too often, the people who deny the claim or conspiracy theory quite often take the authorities word as gold. Case in point on these forums, people make a claim about something, say mass reporting, and people stand there and say “nope doesnt happen because Funcom says it doesnt” Some people trust Funcoms word, others dont.

Didnt work yet. I remember a time when talking to a phone on your wrist and lasers were so science fiction it was laughable that they might one day exist. Go back further and flight was an impossible dream.

20 years from now we may look back at this and see how wrong we were.

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This thread reached 7 days.

9/10 for the troll. OP got the community pretty well with this one. Would have given it a 10, but he had one response to stoke it a little with their only reply.

And even if the OP believes this nonsense… everyone else kept it going on their own accord.

:clap:

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Perhaps you may want to re-read what I said then. I never made such a claim.

The earth isn’t flat? Wait, what?

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Yeah, see he lumped all of those things together (microchips, genetically modifying people, chemically controlling people and mind control rays!) all as one big lump and contributed them all to one thing. The government doing it via MK Ultra. A project which occurred long before the technology existed to microchip people (or livestock / pets), or the ability to genetically manipulate people (in the manner he is alluding to).

Is the ability to place a micro chip tag for identification into someone available? Absolutely. For medical records? Absolutely. But to control peoples minds??? Yeah, sorry without any actual proof there is nothing to back that claim up.

That is not at all how that works. If you make a claim then the burden of proof is on you to provide said proof. If you cannot provide said proof then you are literally talking out of your @$$. So until actual scientific data can be provided to show the claims being made in this thread then I am sorry but no, they are complete and utter BS. No one is under any obligation to prove a claim to be false, that is not how the burden of proof works. And claiming that there is not a 100% certainty there something is not plausible does not make something actual. Fact based evidence does. So either that is provided or it is, frankly, a conspiracy theory.

Do you actually believe that? Then go ahead and read this scientific research paper here from the National Library of Medicine. TLDR:

Despite the fact that animal host of SARS‐CoV2 has not yet been identified, zoonotic origin is supported by a substantial body of research. Even though laboratory accidents cannot entirely be ruled out, it can be deduced from the current research that the emergence of SARS‐CoV‐2 likely stemmed from natural adaptation.

So I wouldn’t be so sure about this “evidence” you claim about it being “manipulated and made in a lab” considering that the actual science states that this is the least likely cause. I can provide more papers if you want, there are plenty.

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Near perfectly encapsulates the mentality of the average conspiracy skeptic. I say “near perfect” because it misses the part where they start adding on all kinds of extras that were never included in original claim (sometimes it’s not even a claim, but merely a question) in order to build a strawman that they can attack.

Yeah, those unreasonable “conspiracy skeptics” who ask you to provide evidence for your claims instead of keeping an “open mind”, they’re the worst!

Shame on them for not going around believing in all sorts of stuff just because it can’t be disproven, like reasonable people do.

By criticizing those who don’t make any effort to look up actual evidence before spreading their unfounded claims, they’re harming the society by hiding things that might eventually be proven true by those who actually look for truth!

They should totally help spread every story they hear about, without scrutinizing whatever is offered as evidence, or even asking for evidence.

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