Katana Bug - Full charge damage without charging

Azazane · 2022-10-08T17:04:48.961Z

SirDaveWolf:

Add 172 base damage from agility, armor, normal star metal katana, buffs and master weapon fitting.

And being in the line of fire when it goes off.

I mean… it’s a shot in the dark and you’re vulnerable afterward unless you dodge/expend stamina immediately to get out of the animation.

Won’t deny the damage but as it’s basically a skillshot with a decent wind-up I don’t see it as an overpowered move.

Tuffman · 2022-10-08T17:09:23.675Z

I dunno, but this makes me want to try an agility build

Xevyr · 2022-10-08T17:29:19.441Z

It’s not a bug… the way it works is that if you get the combo off you will do multiple rapid-fire hits throughout the full dash… the longer something stays in it, the more of these hits they will get…
So it’s not a single damage hit… but like 5 quick ones. Usually small targets like humans will only get 2-3 of these, but large hitbox enemies can get the full chain.
The individual damage values however DO vary based on how long you charge it for, you just won’t notice much variance, a full charge would’ve killed you on that video.

However, I’m going to point out that this isn’t OP imo… setting this up is a step above “mindless button mashing” and you can very easily be killed while doing so. If you want to one-shot people it’s much easier to get a mario build and double jump and actually stomp them than setting this up while under attack
This however is one of the best features of an agility build in PvE, so I really don’t want yet another situation when we suddenly start pointing pvp fingers at it and end up ruining another weapon for no reason…

stelagel · 2022-10-08T17:34:59.171Z

Tuffman:

I dunno, but this makes me want to try an agility build

Exactly

SirDaveWolf · 2022-10-08T17:37:32.581Z

Xevyr:

It’s not a bug…

Xevyr:

you will do multiple rapid-fire hits throughout the full dash…

Was the same with the lance. Funcom admitted, it was a bug. Why is the Katana an exception now again?

But I don’t care anymore. Enjoy your broken things. I will abuse it really hard now. Not in a 1v1 against an experienced spear user though. Because it shines in group fights, lagg and with spray and pray tactics.

Xevyr · 2022-10-08T17:45:40.596Z

SirDaveWolf:

Was the same with the lance. Funcom admitted, it was a bug. Why is the Katana an exception now again?

Upon second read of your post I’m thinking maybe you’re surprised that this is possible at all? It’s a combo finisher and intentional… it’s the only weapon where you can chain a block into the weapon combo so yes, any 3 flowing attacks with the katana immediately followed by a dash hold will count as a finisher to that combo and instead of doing a single hit, will do multiple hits.

So if you’re talking about that… then I can assure you 100% that it’s not a bug:

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See? there are 4 different variations of the katana charge attack… each of them stronger.
They’re set up in a way that they can follow light or heavy attacks. For example the 3rd chain of light attack in the picture as you can see can be followed by either the 4th light attack chain… the 4th katana dash and the 4th heavy attack (that node isn’t expanded)
The same way the 2nd light attack can be followed by the less powerful 3rd charge attack… etc etc.

So this is 100% not a bug and somebody made different variations of this and set them up accordingly.

SirDaveWolf · 2022-10-08T18:01:07.017Z

Yeah, okay, bad game design. Abuse it as long as it lasts

Xevyr · 2022-10-08T18:04:43.470Z

I will look into the multiple hits portion a bit more in-depth if I get a chance though as I wonder too, the above only tells me that indeed they meant to do multiple tiers of this charge dash and that they’re woven into the regular combos which is unique to a katana (for example hitting block with the greatsword for the overhead slash is a single entry and will simply break any combo you might have had and always do the same damage).
But yes, without this I’m not sure I’d like the katana at all I really avoided it before I discovered this possibility of comboing the charge…

Kent · 2022-10-08T18:22:37.699Z

SirDaveWolf:

Yeah, okay, bad game design. Abuse it as long as it lasts

Agreed, my favorite illusion is Argossean Pike but I will go with Kingslayer Polearm instead, as the advantage extra range hasn’t been fixed yet.

stelagel · 2022-10-08T18:43:59.173Z

Kent:

Agreed, my favorite illusion is Argossean Pike but I will go with Kingslayer Polearm instead, as the advantage extra range hasn’t been fixed yet.

Unbelievable, thank you guys, simply unbelievable! How much I am still missing .

stelagel · 2022-10-08T19:04:17.319Z

One last question that I need to ask years now and I keep forgetting! I always place bulked plating on the helmet and armor plating on the rest. It was a suggestion from a pvp admin years ago and I keep doing it, any other suggestions and explanations why it would be really appreciated!
This topic was fully educational for me and this will be the cherry on a wonderful cake.
Thank you guys

Taemien · 2022-10-08T19:18:56.670Z

SirDaveWolf:

Yeah, okay, bad game design. Abuse it as long as it lasts

Its been in as long as Katanas have been, and even buffed I believe. I don’t believe its going anywhere. Its not nearly as OP as it seems.

SirDaveWolf · 2022-10-08T19:56:26.742Z

Kent:

but I will go with Kingslayer Polearm instead, as the advantage extra range hasn’t been fixed yet.

Yes, not fixed as well. Like so many things in this game.

SirDaveWolf · 2022-10-08T19:57:31.068Z

Taemien:

Its been in as long as Katanas have been, and even buffed I believe. I don’t believe its going anywhere. Its not nearly as OP as it seems.

Last stand perk helps. But unaware players are easy prey.

Taemien · 2022-10-08T19:58:43.235Z

Newbies die. That’s what they do.

Xevyr · 2022-10-08T22:22:12.920Z

Okay, upon closer inspection that 4th charge attack entry has a different animation montage which appears to be an exact copy of the one used in the other 3, except having a different name.

The only purpose for that would be if they wanted to do something special with it… and just as well if I swap it over to the one used by all the others then the attack will still work fine, but will do a single hit instead.

What that tells us is that it’s not an “accident” and that there was 100% intent behind doing something with it beyond what they already could do (they could’ve simply set a damage modifier for it in that table to do that damage in a single hit). And since there isn’t anything other special about it than multiplying the hits my guess is that it was done for that purpose and somewhere along the line there’s a thing checking that “are we using this c1 animation montage or the standard c0 that the other 3 katana dash entries use” and if so then do damage on every collision notify event instead of just the one…

But… I’m not happy with that answer as I can’t seem to pinpoint it I dived into it and found a sweepattack blueprint that seems to be responsible for this and weirdly in an almost unexplained way it only jumps into that if you’re doing this combo-dash, but I cannot find anything before that directing it there so it’s almost like “magic” :))) (sorcery!!). Though I haven’t spent too much time with the devkit and some of these funcom blueprints are quite hard to navigate. I would’ve really liked to find and point to the exact location where this distinction happens based on the montage used I’ll look again when I’m bored, for now though I’ll say that it’s definitely not a bug that it does something extra, but I can’t be 100% sure that replicating the hit and this amount of times was the actual intent, though I’m 95% sure based on what I’ve seen so far.

Hope that explains it a bit better And yea on a personal note I actually love this feature and it’s been one of the coolest things for me in this update as I didn’t really use katanas up to now since we didn’t have this freedom of builds and agility based weapon distinction so I’m hoping I’m correct and it isn’t a bug indeed, though I’ll still try to investigate it and see if I can be even more certain.

SirDaveWolf · 2022-10-08T22:31:43.913Z

Xevyr:

on every collision notify event

They could at least remember which target was already hit, so hitting the same actor multiple times won’t happen. Or make it max 2 or 3 per actor.

But interesting finds

Xevyr · 2022-10-08T22:46:23.260Z

SirDaveWolf:

They could at least remember which target was already hit, so hitting the same actor multiple times won’t happen. Or make it max 2 or 3 per actor.

Yes… actually that’s the part that bugs me and why I’m still considering that it might be a bug… cuz I did find a section attempting to do exactly that Now I assumed that it’s because it would be in an even worse state otherwise, but if that’s not the case then at the very least there needs to be some other special feature of it, since if it ends up being bugged, then that’s a whole lot of work they did there for nothing. Idk, will look at it tomorrow a bit more see if I can make heads or tails of it

Myeth · 2022-10-09T16:25:53.416Z

while we are canceling weapons, isn’t spear range to long? Do people really have to roll twice to dodge a spear!!! broken!! burn it down!!!

Xevyr · 2022-10-09T16:34:01.838Z

That’s actually kinda funny cuz in my searching of this I came across a developer comment saying something like “For now I’m just gonna allow double range of an attack” then proceeds to multiply the attack range by 2