Lifeblood spear PVE

Croms_Faithful · 2019-12-16T09:45:59.222Z

CodeMage:

It was great for PVE. No need to carry healing items, just put it in the hotbar and heal while running around.

I have never agreed with this scenario myself. I hsve always felt it to be an exaggeration, or perhaps even just tall tale. But maybe others just used it differently to myself. Here is the thing. Assuming the player has Vitality 30 as most do, it is then 1:28 of running around with it equipped to get back to full health from empty, more if ones Vitality is higher, and if you are hit during the process its effect would cut out. I personally didnt have the time or patience to perform this Life of Brian inspired manouvere while waiting for my health to refill, it was just way faster and more convenient to use healing items. Thralls may well have been another story though. I never gave mine to a thrall.

But that argument aside, I still strongly feel it should have been adjusted back up to around either 1 or 2 hp per second when we consider the support levels for calls to de-nerf it.

CodeMage · 2019-12-16T19:59:41.073Z

Croms_Faithful:

I have never agreed with this scenario myself. I hsve always felt it to be an exaggeration, or perhaps even just tall tale. But maybe others just used it differently to myself.

I know I did, at least.

Croms_Faithful:

Assuming the player has Vitality 30 as most do, it is then 1:28 of running around with it equipped to get back to full health from empty, more if ones Vitality is higher, and if you are hit during the process its effect would cut out. I personally didnt have the time or patience to perform this Life of Brian inspired manouvere while waiting for my health to refill, it was just way faster and more convenient to use healing items.

That’s all true, but there are other factors to consider. Healing items can – and will, eventually – run out. Plus, those that don’t have a decay timer are heavy and stack up to 10 only. Those that are light and stack higher have a decay timer.

On the other hand, the Lifeblood Spear is always there. Put it in the hotbar and equip it to start healing. If you get hit, just double-press that hotbar button. I understand that’s a much more dangerous and problematic action on a console, but my experience comes from playing on PC, where it’s super-easy to do so.

On top of all that, you can carry a certain amount of normal healing items, so you’ll get insane healing if you combine them all.

Like I said, I miss it, but I can see why people found it overpowered

Croms_Faithful:

Thralls may well have been another story though. I never gave mine to a thrall.

I wouldn’t permanently give it to a thrall either. I would carry mine and only temporarily make the thrall equip it to heal. Again, it was super comfy.

Here’s one important detail about my playstyle: I like to carry everything I’ll need with me. Pickaxe, cleaver, skinning knife, bearer pack, gas mask, truncheon (or Lovetap), bindings, food, dedicated healing items, bedroll, two waterskins, weapon repair kits, torch, plus a bloody arsenal (hammer, spear, daggers, axe, shield, bow and arrows). When you play like that, weight becomes an interesting problem. Yes, I know it’s lazy, but I’m a lazy guy

When you take that into account, you can see how Lifeblood Spear was extra comfy for a guy like me, compared to carrying at least 10 ambrosia and some a bunch of healing arrows (on top of regular ammo).

WhatMightHaveBeen · 2019-12-16T21:24:52.830Z

What if they just added a +10 Vit boost. this would jump you from 3rd to 4th perk, or 4th to 5th, giving it a mjor bonus, but at the same time tieing it to your build and noremal perks.

Chump · 2019-12-16T21:26:54.586Z

I do think it was a kinda busted item back in its hay day but they definitely over nerfed it WAYYY too much. I don’t understand the thought process behind nerfing its damage to uselessness and then also nerfing its healing into nonexistence. Damage wasn’t even a problem, it would have been fine with just a bit of a regen nerf, maybe extra passive regen like 2 per second instead of it being a true healing item.

Can’t blame pvpers on this one because I’m 100% sure none of us even wanted it to be gutted like it was. We just wanted the healing to be balanced.

WhatMightHaveBeen · 2019-12-16T21:29:47.444Z

And now that i think about it, maybe they should just focus on the +(att)s on legendary weapons. I think the imbalance always come for the “magical” effect. The + system is more intune with builds. It would allow people more freedom of builds, and not be another mechanicn in combat (npc or pvp) that needs to balance across the board. think about the logistics of it. Right now there are your str, acc, grit, enemy vit, enemy armor, animations, dmg, AP, debuffs, hit boxes that are intertwined every time you swing to get the amount of dmg and stam usage. the added perks just add more areas that can go off kilt. By doing the +att system, it allows for them to focus on what is most common in the game (items i listed) and not have that wild card screw it up.

using a car as example:
If i tune up by base engine with the right spark plugs, gas mix, battery, tires to what i like, then all of a sudden there is a wild card air intake, i have to re-balance all that. And anytime i add more and more components to the perfect build, everything has to be re-tuned.

Croms_Faithful · 2019-12-16T21:30:46.737Z

CodeMage:

Here’s one important detail about my playstyle: I like to carry everything I’ll need with me. Pickaxe, cleaver, skinning knife, bearer pack, gas mask, truncheon (or Lovetap), bindings, food, dedicated healing items, bedroll, two waterskins, weapon repair kits, torch, plus a bloody arsenal (hammer, spear, daggers, axe, shield, bow and arrows).

You know mate I am EXACTLY the same, and I used this same approach when I played Skyrim. One could make a valid face saving argument that it is not being lazy, but being prepared. Better to be loaded right up than have to walk all the way back home if we need it I say. I just dont get enough free time to play each week to be making uneccessary trips back to base.

CodeMage:

Like I said, I miss it, but I can see why people found it overpowered

I can definately understand your point of view here, and why others felt thst way. However I just feel that the nerf was way too heavy handed. After all, now noone uses it and we openly mock it. I feel it needs to be balanced back upwards at least a little. I think 1 HP per second would be nice.

Cyryus · 2019-12-16T21:33:24.418Z

This weapon should have never existed…
it should work as a healing arrow, and healing those you strike with it, or only heal you if you hit somebody

CodeMage · 2019-12-16T21:38:47.420Z

Croms_Faithful:

However I just feel that the nerf was way too heavy handed.

Oh! Sorry, I didn’t realize that was the crux of your argument. I agree 100% with that. Hell, if it were possible, I would go beyond 100%

Seriously, they could’ve done any number of things with it, but they made it completely useless. That’s one of the worst nerfs I’ve seen so far, if not the worst.

CodeMage · 2019-12-16T22:04:20.927Z

I never went for 4th vitality perk until they nerfed 3rd perk regen so hard that it disappointed me more than I disappoint my parents

WhatMightHaveBeen · 2019-12-16T22:24:19.136Z

@Alex did state the progression system in general is one area he would like to revisit. During his comments about 5th Enc perk i believe.

WhatMightHaveBeen · 2019-12-16T22:40:29.386Z

I think the middle ground between a server wipe and non wipe is adding decay to everything. Not too aggressive, but in general remove the ability to store massive amounts of loot. The game has no economy (another subject he mentioned) because once you get going, you can have stashes all over the place that allow for rebuilding 10x, making raiding all about wiping, and not about resource control.

edit:

Also, if they only reduce the amounts harvested, it will turn all new players away, as resource balance would tilt even more in favor of people who have farmed non stop.

WhatMightHaveBeen · 2019-12-16T22:47:27.959Z

Impressive. Did you build it in the snow, uphill both ways…jk. Yeah. I once farmed iron all the way from gods claw thru star gazers and had ran out for inventory room. another time, a clan mate and i cleared wood in the mounds until we were both full on inventory to see who could do it first. The poor newb who built their had a siht shack tucked in all the trees. When he returned it was like a lumber company had come thru with bulldozers lol.
**note this was 100 stack days.

roro4066 · 2019-12-16T23:30:24.701Z

zerog:

It never took me more than 5 or so seconds to heal to max from nearly dead.

Really? Sounds Indeed pretty OP to me.

CodeMage · 2019-12-17T00:12:55.521Z

zerog:

In one single run with max ENC, I farmed up enough resources to build a black ice wall from one side of the volcano to the other, and the thing is like 5 foundations high in most places, over 10 in others.

That’s…insane.

I’m still struggling to understand why. I understand why people want to nerf max enc perk when it comes to stuff like this:

Make Potion of Midnight fail when overencumbered Feedback

Someone recently posted that a viable strategy to save all the loot during a PVP raid is to respec into full enc, grab the whole vault and quaff a Potion of Midnight. I don’t play PVP, so I don’t have a horse in this race, but it seems a really bad oversight. Sure, a clan could probably station a guard inside the dungeon during the raid, but it would be much better to make the potion fail if you’re overencumbered, i.e. you consume it and it’s gone, but you remain where you are and get a popup i…

I’m not sure if I can agree with it, but that doesn’t matter since I’m not a PVP player, so my opinion doesn’t count in this case.

But I never really understood what people had against optimized farming. If we could talk about what the imbalance is, maybe we could find a way to balance things properly, other than just nerfing the max enc.

Then again, that’s a topic for a different thread and I don’t want to hijack this one. I’ll open a new thread about it when I have the time.

Croms_Faithful · 2019-12-17T21:06:05.671Z

CodeMage:

Oh! Sorry, I didn’t realize that was the crux of your argument. I agree 100% with that. Hell, if it were possible, I would go beyond 100%

Yeah it was. Oh no problem at all CodeMage! I did ramble on a bit there. I do sometimes struggle to explain what I am trying to convey at times.

CodeMage:

That’s one of the worst nerfs I’ve seen so far, if not the worst.

I agree. It needs to be adjusted back upwards to at least some degree. I am reluctant to throw definitive numbers around, but it needs at least some level of readjustment.

Croms_Faithful · 2019-12-17T21:23:02.226Z

zerog:

Don’t forget that the 4th Vitality perk worked with the LBS.

Really!? Are you absolutely certain about this one beyond a doubt? Because if this is true, then for the first time I am beginning to understand and acknowledge your calls for it to be dialled down. 10 HP per second is extremely high!

I now feel that it should be adjusted back up slightly to 1 HP per second. Honestly at this point, giving a Thrall a stack of Grilled Steak or for that matter even will heal them faster than this. The time has come to readjust the Lifeblood Spear.

CodeMage · 2019-12-17T21:54:45.618Z

Honestly, I don’t like what LBS does to PVE. It dominates the choices when it comes to healing. If it’s reinstated, I hope Funcom doesn’t just give some of its healing effect back and leave it at that.

Here are some ideas on how it could be better balanced:

Make its healing effect were inversely proportional to the wielder’s health percentage. The closer the wielder is to full health, the slower it heals.
Make healing with it decrease its durability.
Make it have a reservoir of health that starts empty. Using one type of attack (e.g. light) works like a normal weapon, but part of the damage it deals is used to fill up the reservoir. Using the other type of attack heals the wielder.

Megaton238 · 2019-12-18T00:38:43.474Z

In PvE I think the value was more in how it quickly healed thralls, but that’s really kind of moot now too.

Caffeine · 2019-12-18T02:45:14.465Z

roro4066:

There is a comparable issue with the ghost/ ghast corrupted axe dropped by the wraith boss too. is it any usefull?

They’re kind of useful, in the sense that they don’t weight anything.

If you want to carry a spare 1-Hand weapon for your Truncheon-wielding thrall, for when killing is needed, then it’s an OK weapon to carry that won’t count against you encumbrance.

system · 2019-12-25T02:45:22.671Z

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