Lightning Storm should not do building damage

nakieon · 2022-09-09T15:57:09.187Z

Taemien:

How much damage does a player take when struck?
How much damage does a building take when struck directly?
How much damage do objects take near a strike when a bolt strikes the ground?

Can be up to 500 or something similar, but I use grit 20 perk to cap it to 25% of life so I can test
1-5k dmg if its not a 100k damage bolt. Each storm has 5 100k damage bolts, but random if they hit ground/tree/npc or player/building.
Refer to #2

nakieon · 2022-09-09T16:02:32.038Z

To the naysayers who say LS isn’t balanced and that it’s balanced when raiding bases that have proper honeycomb and not just a foundation wall 10x high. Here ya go: Twitch. This is a 35 minute video where I show myself building a 10x10 base where 2 layers are honeycombed with rooftop intersections. For fun, I added 4 vaults around it. I added some crafting stations, thralls (they act as lightning rod sometimes, not well enough though), and I added a large chest in the middle with 100 dp as a target raid chest.

This is the best honeycomb you can do on officials where fence stacking is banned. Fence stacking is the best honeycomb vs LS as it only hits up to 5 pieces radius out from it’s starting hit so packing as much as you can is the best option.

1 LS already hollowed out the base and hit 2 vaults for 100k damage.
4 LS finally killed the large chest in the middle that had 100 dp as the “target” chest to raid.
By the end of 5 LS you can already see the base is done and 3 vaults were killed.

Without vaults this is a minimum 60 DP raid which has quite a few resource needs. With vaults it’s anywhere from 100 dp to 144 dp depending on how you raided - either splash vault through honeycomb or individually raided the 3 vaults and did the base raid through doors.

VS 5 leather pouch… which is a mere 5 thick leather, 5 sac blood flask, 5 weathered skull, and 10 alch base.

Raw 35 min ish footage: Twitch

Taemien · 2022-09-09T16:03:51.833Z

nakieon:

Can be up to 500 or something similar, but I use grit 20 perk to cap it to 25% of life so I can test

1-5k dmg if its not a 100k damage bolt. Each storm has 5 100k damage bolts, but random if they hit ground/tree/npc or player/building.

Refer to #2

1 is close, 2 is not. And you didn’t answer 3.

nakieon · 2022-09-09T16:05:24.948Z

Taemien:

1 is close, 2 is not. And you didn’t answer 3.

You’re a troll who clearly hasn’t playtested LS. Provide footage or get out. I have plenty of footage and proof in this thread. Anything else you say is just opinion and no evidence of any facts.

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Lightning Storm should not do building damage Feedback

Funcom needs to invest in some pvp inclined changes. What is the point of lightning storm doing raid damage that improves pve? You can’t raid in pve or pve-c, so they made the very real decision of “yeah it should do this level of damage in pvp servers, that’s fine”. I have gazillions of screenshots but only one footage needs to be shown, here I show a 5x5x5 base build then cast a storm on it. A single bolt takes out most of the base. Check out 2:35 Twitch Lightning Storm doesn’t seem to care …

Lightning Storm should not do building damage Feedback

To the naysayers who say LS isn’t balanced and that it’s balanced when raiding bases that have proper honeycomb and not just a foundation wall 10x high. Here ya go: Twitch. This is a 35 minute video where I show myself building a 10x10 base where 2 layers are honeycombed with rooftop intersections. For fun, I added 4 vaults around it. I added some crafting stations, thralls (they act as lightning rod sometimes, not well enough though), and I added a large chest in the middle with 100 dp as a ta…

Dzonatas · 2022-09-09T16:10:37.575Z

The ones that seem to complain the most of LS are the ones that can’t seem to change it up, especially their own base. Heaven forbid somebody else comes along and counter raids with LS.

I just see the old meta is over.

nakieon · 2022-09-09T16:17:24.236Z

Dzonatas:

change it up

Provide footage of where your base is immune to LS.

There are only a handful locations in the game that have a good central area that are immune to LS:

Crevice (best location in the entire game vs LS and vs bombs)
Keyhole (Great Dam) (like 90% of the honeycomb you can do can get stripped off here though)
Deserter’s Gutter (like 70% of the honeycomb you can do can get stripped off here though)
Tyros Passage (like 50% of the honeycomb you can do can get stripped off here though)
MAYBE Icespire Chasm, I didn’t test there but should work.
That tower+tunnel spot west of kings niche, forgot the name

The reason those locations have a central storage area that can’t be touched by LS is because the buildings are either wide enough or tall/low enough from any points you can cast LS from that LS cannot hit that area. All other locations, all jungle barracks, all tunnel-like areas like Tradeway/Slaveway are very vulnerable to LS and you cannot reliably protect anything in these.

If you ask me, prefab structures like those shouldn’t exist and be buildable inside. Everyone should base out in the open. That being said I’ve been colonizing Tyros Passage since the LS introduction. Previously I always based in Tradeway. I also play on a server where LS is banned, but I still ultimately want to play on officials but never would until Funcom fixes these things: their insane report meta they feed into, hackers, and now LS.

Expecting that everyone bases in these locations is nonsense, hundreds of unique players play on officials, not everyone will get these base locations. Previously before sorcery, you could build on any tower and make a real fortress. Between ice bridge, bat flight, and LS, the number of viable base locations truly defendable has been whittled down from maybe 100 to 5-10.

Sairdontis · 2022-09-09T16:18:42.052Z

nakieon:

Crevice (best location in the entire game vs LS and vs bombs)

Shoot explosive arrows as certain locations are not barriers to their impact and damage.

nakieon · 2022-09-09T16:25:12.550Z

Sairdontis:

explosive arrows

I don’t use them as they are too slow for my taste, I like to watch bombs go boom. That said, any raid is a budget raid with explosive arrow if you have time. Faster with poison arrows too.

Not sure why you quoted Crevice. Crevice from any point of entry can have 30 layers (~90 ish fence layers if fence stacking) to central storage location. That… is a LOT of time to get through with just explosive arrow. Even bombs take forever in there…

Taemien · 2022-09-09T16:29:05.978Z

nakieon:

You’re a troll who clearly hasn’t playtested LS. Provide footage or get out. I have plenty of footage and proof in this thread. Anything else you say is just opinion and no evidence of any facts.

Refer to these posts:

How about this, you refer to the Blueprint with the filename BP_Spell_Actor_LightningStorm

You’ll see how lightning bolt damage is calculated, when, how, and where. My facts are literally the code of how LS was put in the game. You can open that up in the devkit and see how it works and follow the logic. Also, knock off the personal attacks.

nakieon · 2022-09-09T16:36:01.744Z

Taemien:

My facts are literally the code of how LS was put in the game

Lol. I’m a programmer, I’ve been working in the software industry for 10+ years now and I know not to refer to pieces of code as gospel. Maybe other things reference it. Maybe there’s some load order somewhere that changes how it’s affecting things. Some framework that overrides it. Etc. I’m not sifting through another company’s codebase for a mere game feedback thread. Additionally, you can’t refer to the code by itself. You have to black box test it. You have to integration test it end to end (like I am by playing the game and providing footage). And especially important - in a game, you have to determine whether it’s balanced for it’s cost vs what it can do.

Provide footage of your playtesting with LS or get out. My advice is to stop reading through the code and play the game. You mentioned earlier that “costs are irrelevant to what you’re looking for” - they absolutely relevant when you look at the game holistically. Real programmers code and read code from both an individual and holistic perspective. You’re only looking at the individual.

Sairdontis · 2022-09-09T16:39:34.271Z

I have to be careful how I say this. Caves are not as secure as everyone believes them to be. I will not list more on these forums due to ToS. Search youtube on the subject for your answer.

Taemien · 2022-09-09T16:45:03.153Z

nakieon:

Lol. I’m a programmer, I’ve been working in the software industry for 10+ years now and I know not to refer to pieces of code as gospel. Maybe other things reference it. Maybe there’s some load order somewhere that changes how it’s affecting things. Some framework that overrides it. Etc. I’m not sifting through another company’s codebase for a mere game feedback thread. Additionally, you can’t refer to the code by itself. You have to black box test it. You have to integration test it end to end (like I am by playing the game and providing footage). And especially important - in a game, you have to determine whether it’s balanced for it’s cost vs what it can do.

Provide footage of your playtesting with LS or get out. My advice is to stop reading through the code and play the game. You mentioned earlier that “costs are irrelevant to what you’re looking for” - they absolutely relevant when you look at the game holistically. Real programmers code and read code from both an individual and holistic perspective. You’re only looking at the individual.

I’m not going to post a video until you do what I have done at a minimum. And I will keep posting regardless of what you want. So we can keep this going forever.

Here’s more facts for you:

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Sairdontis · 2022-09-09T16:47:03.492Z

That was kind of you to map out . Thank you for the information Taemien, I will enjoy studying it.

Taemien · 2022-09-09T16:50:43.694Z

I didn’t map it out, that’s the actual blueprint opened in the devkit where the damage is handled. All I did was took a peek.

Not sure why everyone else suddenly has an aversion to doing so.

nakieon · 2022-09-09T16:58:08.510Z

Looking at the code by itself is worthless without playing the game. This is a game feedback thread, not a PR.

Sairdontis · 2022-09-09T17:00:13.816Z

I never downloaded the devkit as I do not run a server. The information is enlightening.

Warlock_76 · 2022-09-10T09:22:08.014Z

I am sorry… i couldnt resist…

nakieon · 2022-09-10T17:14:07.268Z

Taemien:

Server admins can feat block it. That feature has been in for over a year by now.

Doesn’t work. Community server admin just blacklisted 96106 and was able to learn via thau bench / normal sorcery research.

Taemien · 2022-09-10T17:28:20.932Z

Did he block the bench?

Trusi · 2022-09-10T17:40:01.036Z

It’s bullshit and it’s getting changed.