# Nemedian DLC is pay to win **URL:** \ **Category:** Feedback\ **Created:** [March 30, 2022, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/nemedian-dlc-is-pay-to-win/191038 "2022-03-30T08:43:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![CodeMage](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/codemage/32/13564_2.png) [@CodeMage](https://forums.funcom.com/u/CodeMage)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/nemedian-dlc-is-pay-to-win/191038/47 "2022-04-01T18:40:39Z")
> [@Rekt](#): > > All hail the Willy ![archer-you1](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/original/3X/0/f/0f55e2e9568a2ec29a831d74434a43b60cc82c14.gif) ---
**Author:** ![rolee9309](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/rolee9309/32/72258_2.png) [@rolee9309](https://forums.funcom.com/u/rolee9309)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 8:06pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/nemedian-dlc-is-pay-to-win/191038/48 "2022-04-01T20:06:19Z")
Now you made me to watch archer tonight! ---
**Author:** ![Multigun](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/multigun/32/90242_2.png) [@Multigun](https://forums.funcom.com/u/Multigun)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/nemedian-dlc-is-pay-to-win/191038/49 "2022-04-01T20:14:34Z")
> [@Jimbo](#): > > So no statistics Pretty much. Per usual, PvP = only way to play according to this forum. Anything else is considered false. I give you points for trying, but it was doomed from the start. They wil NEVER listen. ---
**Author:** ![Oduda](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/oduda/32/9080_2.png) [@Oduda](https://forums.funcom.com/u/Oduda)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/nemedian-dlc-is-pay-to-win/191038/50 "2022-04-01T20:34:53Z")
> [@Raskhaul](#): > > its pretty logical just compare it to any game in its genre, and take anecdotally any pvper who would never play pve because its zero challenge theres little purpose and the AI is terrible, niche RP and a halfway designed ARPG with no quests voice acting, challenging bosses etc doesn’t really sell, why would you play this over skyrim, Elden ring? shadow of war or anything else. > > live in the real world and the sales figures of survival games with pvp vs without speak for themselves. > > Near all the games blurb on its steam store page for instance is referencing pvp So your “logic” is actually just pure anecdotal accounts, which you yourself have already stated to be the case, based on your own extraordinarily biased opinion? That is the complete and total antithesis of logic. Based on your own “logic” just look at all of the dozens of threads on these very forums about how “all the pvp servers are dead”. Guess what, you don’t see those about PvE servers, or PvE-C servers. Huh… why would that be? After all, according to you, those shouldn’t have anyone on them at all. 🤷‍♀️ Yet they seem to be thriving just nicely. I suppose that just kind of completely deflates your entire “argument” doesn’t it, might as well hurry up and ignore that right away. 🤦‍♀️ > [@Raskhaul](#): > > live in the real world Yes, please learn to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Raskhaul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/raskhaul/32/89770_2.png) [@Raskhaul](https://forums.funcom.com/u/Raskhaul)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/nemedian-dlc-is-pay-to-win/191038/51 "2022-04-01T21:21:42Z")
all that has been said is anecdotal, are you people delusional? thinking the game would somehow be better without PVP is anecdotal, no opinions are unbiased, yet logic however would dictate if it is true in a fair comparison it would remain relatively true which I tried to illustrate. and why are pvp servers dead? they really aren’t , and anyone with a high enough IQ could tell that by simply looking at the server list and sorting by player count. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/original/3X/e/f/ef1f9ac4f5c92e965c00655b4dbc0235b99383c4.jpeg) the population decline as a whole (as per steamcharts) is another thing entirely though. I think I will start being an edgy boy acting like the insane PVE vocal minority here. PVE should be removed as a game mode, and all PVE content distracts from the real work of balancing pvp! Follower emotes were a mistake, complete wasted time!. ---
**Author:** ![Jimbo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/jimbo/32/109660_2.png) [@Jimbo](https://forums.funcom.com/u/Jimbo)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 9:42pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/nemedian-dlc-is-pay-to-win/191038/52 "2022-04-01T21:42:02Z")
> [@Raskhaul](#): > > and why are pvp servers dead? they really aren’t , and anyone with a high enough IQ could tell that by simply looking at the server list and sorting by player count. > > ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/original/3X/e/f/ef1f9ac4f5c92e965c00655b4dbc0235b99383c4.jpeg) I see your high IQ and I raise you +1 IQ because you didn’t enable modded servers in your search. Try that again and get back to us ---
**Author:** ![Raskhaul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/raskhaul/32/89770_2.png) [@Raskhaul](https://forums.funcom.com/u/Raskhaul)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/nemedian-dlc-is-pay-to-win/191038/54 "2022-04-01T21:50:37Z")
okay so you are complaining the Base game isn’t developed enough for PVE because of PVP yet PVE’rs aren’t even playing the base game but modded versions ? ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/original/3X/5/7/57b96e700c81044e36fd2346650d533ab261c7c1.jpeg) still not looking at a sea of PVE servers either, I see more people interested in ■■■■■■ roleplay as a whole maybe that is the one true game mode we should have XD. ---
**Author:** ![CodeMage](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/codemage/32/13564_2.png) [@CodeMage](https://forums.funcom.com/u/CodeMage)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 11:03pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/nemedian-dlc-is-pay-to-win/191038/55 "2022-04-01T23:03:47Z")
> [@anon83039162](#): > > I think you seem smart enough. Smart enough to not stoop down and canvas a whole player group just because a handful are belligerent and, can’t formulate constructive conversation without attacking a play style of the game. ![T65roqH1](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/original/3X/3/f/3fde71bddf4c68edb16af014ced86110f323d747.gif) Seriously, don’t play into it. Look at the topic. Now look at how derailed it is. Someone’s gotta stop first. ---
**Author:** ![biggcane55](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/biggcane55/32/82620_2.png) [@biggcane55](https://forums.funcom.com/u/biggcane55)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 1:57am UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/nemedian-dlc-is-pay-to-win/191038/56 "2022-04-02T01:57:49Z")
Or is he? ---
**Author:** ![biggcane55](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/biggcane55/32/82620_2.png) [@biggcane55](https://forums.funcom.com/u/biggcane55)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 2:05am UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/nemedian-dlc-is-pay-to-win/191038/57 "2022-04-02T02:05:46Z")
> [@Oduda](#): > > Guess what, you don’t see those about PvE servers, or PvE-C servers. Huh… why would that be? After all, according to you, those shouldn’t have anyone on them at all. 🤷‍♀️ Yet they seem to be thriving just nicely. I suppose that just kind of completely deflates your entire “argument” doesn’t it, might as well hurry up and ignore that right away. 🤦‍♀️ Look atvthe nose dive ince pvpers figured out it was only an early sell tactic. When game came out, pvp servers were almost always full, even a few pve servers were x9nverted to match demand. Thatbwas ppvpers who paid a large portion of the first game sales. Once pvp became stale as far as features and mecahinics, the numbers nose dived. Sonyes, right now a majority of the player base is pve oriented now. But if the majorityvof players left were pvp, thay means the game itself became a pve nitch game that has a few diehard pvpers who still see the diamond inbthe colebthat is Conan PvP raid. But FC doesntbseem to put thebwork in to get that diamond. And oer FC, most players (pve accordingvto yor math would the most) are on orivates using mods thay kill most of the actual mechanics and lore, so they arent reallyvplaying Conan now are they? ---
**Author:** ![TeleTesselator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/teletesselator/32/97270_2.png) [@TeleTesselator](https://forums.funcom.com/u/TeleTesselator)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 3:42am UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/nemedian-dlc-is-pay-to-win/191038/58 "2022-04-02T03:42:34Z")
> [@SirDaveWolf](#): > > > [@Testerle](#): > > > > no it is not. figure it out > > Well, looks like you were wrong 😛 No, he was right. All gate frames are gapless if you know what you’re doing. ---
**Author:** ![SirDaveWolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5f8ce5/32.png) [@SirDaveWolf](https://forums.funcom.com/u/SirDaveWolf)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/nemedian-dlc-is-pay-to-win/191038/59 "2022-04-02T08:39:06Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/original/3X/0/3/03a8186a4f951434d64bee8fd6a64b1cc891a7e6.png) ---
**Author:** ![Oduda](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/oduda/32/9080_2.png) [@Oduda](https://forums.funcom.com/u/Oduda)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/nemedian-dlc-is-pay-to-win/191038/60 "2022-04-02T12:22:58Z")
> [@biggcane55](#): > > But FC doesntbseem to put thebwork in to get that diamond I agree with you there, they really do not do enough. Or at least, not the right things anyway. > [@biggcane55](#): > > pve accordingvto yor math I never made a claim that one play type had more players than another. I clearly stated that if, acording to the person I was responding to, the vast majority of people play pvp, then why have there always been dozens of post created for years about how pvp servers are dead and yet the other two server types do not have those posts being created? That still has not been addressed by him (because he knows it’s a fact and he doesn’t want to admit it). It was not a statement that one play style is more populated than another, simply a counter to his erroneous claim. > [@biggcane55](#): > > are on orivates using mods thay kill most of the actual mechanics and lore, so they arent reallyvplaying Conan now are they? Well, not all private servers run mods like Age of Calamitous that vastly change the lore and mechanics of the game like that. However if you asked those players then yes, they are playing Conan Exiles, they are just playing it the way THEY want to. Is that any less valid than you playing it the way you want to? ---
**Author:** ![Raskhaul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/raskhaul/32/89770_2.png) [@Raskhaul](https://forums.funcom.com/u/Raskhaul)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/nemedian-dlc-is-pay-to-win/191038/61 "2022-04-02T12:47:20Z")
> dozens of post created for years about how pvp servers are dead and yet the other two server types do not have those posts being created? That still has not been addressed by him (because he knows it’s a fact and he doesn’t want to admit it). I will bite on this given its directed at me XD but will be my last word on it as its all horribly derailed the thread, I would hardly say its a fact, as I’ve illustrated the population decline which ebb’s and flows seasonally in this game is real (and funcom has acknowledged with their transfer plans), now why would PVPers be more inclined to notice and complain about this? quite obviously because the majority of PVP content and competition comes from interactions with other players opposed to PVE where interactions with other players are largely social. ---
**Author:** ![Apple1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d78d45/32.png) [@Apple1](https://forums.funcom.com/u/Apple1)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/nemedian-dlc-is-pay-to-win/191038/62 "2022-04-02T13:19:57Z")
![hmok](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/original/3X/9/5/9597c0afed8c38f3d222590bdb3680a246e42f94.jpeg) ![hmok2](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/original/3X/7/c/7caaec18c30930bcd0d8deeeb6556613fdbb5e62.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![stelagel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/stelagel/32/37108_2.png) [@stelagel](https://forums.funcom.com/u/stelagel)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/nemedian-dlc-is-pay-to-win/191038/63 "2022-04-02T13:33:55Z")
People go off lines just to prove that they are right. Conan exiles is not a pay to win game, so far it never was. At least in comparison with games that really are this way. Decades of topics uploaded the last years from players that payed the dlcs asking for cheaper brick construction and nothing happened , black ice was, is and will be the cheapest and fastest way to go tier 3 in no time and it was always vanilla. The greatest weapons and armor are vanilla too. Now if 1 or two pieces can give an advantage to a player to protect his base these 2 insignificant things cannot name the dlc pay to win. If a clan build 3 trebuchets firing your door feel free to protect it, good luck. If you can fix a base full of these rooftop pieces, I will be fool to try to break it with bombs, I have Explosive arrows, orbs trebuchets to do it, vanilla stuff, you know, so the accusations of pay to win are ridiculous, especially when they come from pvp “experienced” players. These accusations make nothing more than starting pvp in the forum, nothing else. Siptah may be introduced as a dlc but it is a game expansion with a dlc in the prize of one. The company did all this job and gave it to players in a humiliating prize just for all of us to be able to buy it, and I am extremely greatfull to them about it. So I ask… Paying now and 20€ to buy Conan exiles and 20€ to buy Siptah expansion with dlc, in total 40€, is an amount that represents the work these people done all these years? I believe not. Paying 40€ or 250 € you have equal chances to win in pvp because the game provides the mechanics to win or the gear in the vanilla form. Plus I don’t believe that op used this title other than make his post interesting and sometimes I think that the wisest person in here is @darthphysicist. In another post he said that he feels like a fly attracted to poop, aren’t we all? I believe that some members do enjoy to have pvp everywhere they participate but especially in here. If all the pvp players were like you or @droch-aon then we would have utopia in this forum, so I think I ask too many now, you see I was able to prove my self wrong, it will be easier for others 😉. ---
**Author:** ![karlabear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a5b964/32.png) [@karlabear](https://forums.funcom.com/u/karlabear)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/nemedian-dlc-is-pay-to-win/191038/64 "2022-04-02T14:07:01Z")
> [@Jimbo](#): > > More or less the same as pvp I’d imagine. All these changes slowed down combat, made fighting numerous enemies at once more difficult, and made health a more metered resource given the chore of healing now. Difference I’d wager is most of us adapted and moved on instead of lingering on the past so what im reading is that you struggle to fight NPC, wild life and world bosses after the change of roll and healing. and you are trying to compare that to fighting another player? Interesting. Remember no PVP player wanted the roll/healing nerfs that happened. which was the whole point i was trying to make 😉 ---
**Author:** ![TeleTesselator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/teletesselator/32/97270_2.png) [@TeleTesselator](https://forums.funcom.com/u/TeleTesselator)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/nemedian-dlc-is-pay-to-win/191038/65 "2022-04-02T15:22:48Z")
If that’s a reply to me or @Testerle it’s irrelevant. Placing a single gate 1/4 block back from the edge does not constitute stacking. What it does do however is insure a gapless fitting. ---
**Author:** ![biggcane55](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/biggcane55/32/82620_2.png) [@biggcane55](https://forums.funcom.com/u/biggcane55)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/nemedian-dlc-is-pay-to-win/191038/66 "2022-04-02T17:43:25Z")
yes, the mid gate is legit. Butvit still does not help on the firstvgate. Any pvp builder knows you put 3 gates on foundatuin. The other 2 will have the gap. ---
**Author:** ![TeleTesselator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/teletesselator/32/97270_2.png) [@TeleTesselator](https://forums.funcom.com/u/TeleTesselator)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/nemedian-dlc-is-pay-to-win/191038/67 "2022-04-02T21:21:52Z")
> [@biggcane55](#): > > Any pvp builder knows you put 3 gates on foundatuin. Not any more… Not on Officials anyway… 😉 [Previous page](https://forums.funcom.com/t/nemedian-dlc-is-pay-to-win/191038.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.funcom.com/t/nemedian-dlc-is-pay-to-win/191038.md?page=4)