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The game is pretty much running a free to play model without being free .so sshhhh , also the battlepass pass dosent have anything that would make you want to buy it if your a pvper , armor and weapons are always nice , but there prices and weird bundles are offputting .

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The same was with DLCs, huh? :smiley: Any DLC armor or weapon is slightly nerfed, in comparisson to the default normal stuff in the same category, available for any player without additional content.

Bazaar is just for looking good and have something fancy to show. There will never be anything what gives you better dmg or ap, than stuff that is available for any person who bought this game in raw version.

So far I bought only one bundle and that was because there was nothing similar in the default game before. The other armor and weapons stuff is unnecessary to me.

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Tell that to all the people who pay a Spotify subscription and don’t have to make the decisions about whether they’ll spend their money on artist A or artist B this month.

There are two points I’m trying to make here:

  • The vast majority of people care more for the content than for supporting the content creators.
  • Digital goods have a different cost structure, which leads to a greater variety of available business models.

It’s a shame that the game industry has settled on more exploitative business models, but that doesn’t mean things must – or will – stay that way forever.

And by the way, this is not merely, or even primarily, about prices. Yeah, the prices are high, but there’s more to this than that. Not that I’m in the mood to repeat that discussion yet again. Feel free to look it up before dismissing it as feeling entitled to free content. :man_shrugging:

Exactly. There are people who want some or all of your stuff, and they will buy it. There are those who don’t want most or any of it, and they won’t buy it. And there are those who are on the fence, who might or might not buy, and need a nudge.

If you don’t allow sharing, the people who don’t want to spend money on your stuff still won’t buy it. If you allow sharing, the people on the fence will get the nudge they need.

It’s kinda like what happened with piracy. People kept pirating stuff no matter how much you spammed them with “YoU wOuLdN’t sTeaL a CaR” warnings, or even how many of them you prosecuted for piracy. Hell, people still pirate stuff, but much less than before, and it’s not due to being punished for it, but because a new business model arose – Spotify, Netflix, etc. – that made paying for content a better option.

Sadly, the game industry hasn’t quite learned that lesson yet :wink:

They designed it that way intentionally. You can go rewatch the stream where they talked about BP challenges and Dennis specifically addressed the question of being able to do them in single-player. He even said something along the lines of “what makes you think we haven’t thought of that”.

The idea is that you should be able to complete all these challenges during your normal gameplay in those 3 months, but you can also choose alternatives, such as paying for premium BP or spamming challenges in single-player. Each of these choices comes with a tradeoff. In single-player, you’re trading away fun, because spamming BP challenges is mind-numbingly boring.

FWIW, I honestly can’t see why some of you are bothered by this, as if those who do it in single-player are somehow hurting you.

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Im personally on the fence with shop and battle pass .missarchivist thinks i only want op items that i can buy added witch is wrong , i want items that are reasonable priced for what your getting , example tunisian dlc 9 pounds , new stormglass set 8 pounds . Also im just abit salty that bazaar and bp arent cross account like dlcs

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Newsflash, all businesses build cost into pricing. If you do not think YOU are paying for ketchup packets at McDonalds, think again.

I just bought the whole Battlepass to level 60 and a few new Bazaar items, it cost me around $70 US.
Most of the BP items I will never use, but I spend more than that in one night sometimes dining with friends or going to a concert.

The whole point is about choice, nobody is FORCING anybody to pay for anything.

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You decided to spend that much money , your fault , im just ranting about how things that should be free or atleast 3 pounds are 20 for some reason

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Not my FAULT, my CHOICE.
I would agree some of the pricing is a bit much, but I really do not see the point of having this discussion for the millionth time on this forum.
Also I do not get your OP header about the “new armor system”. If you are referring to the fact that you cannot share DLC armor anymore, that was implemented months ago.

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They could never allow it as an official server thing and not for private servers, that would cause even more disgruntlement among the fan base.

It would kill the Bazaar so long as the Bazaar prices are viewed as unreasonable by the masses.

So, only those who play on official servers would actually pay for the Battle Pass, meaning nobody on private servers, or who play solo/offline. That loses them even more revenue by being exclusive.

And further incites the fans against them, causing people to lose faith in the company and move on to other games. It’s why FC can never do stuff like this. The moment they do, it legit would kill the game. People would back away from them as a whole.

Personally, if they pulled a stunt like that, I’d never trust them again. I don’t play Conan online. I have other, far better games, that I play online and devote my bandwidth to. PvP in Conan sounds fairly toxic, official servers sound like a joke with lag and other issues, and even in a non-PVP server, you have to deal with people camping resources or blocking them.

It’s all something I’m very much not interested in, in any way shape or form. I’ve paid my $10 for the Battle Pass, and that’s about as far as I’m willing to go. I might like some of the Bazaar items, but frankly I can buy full games for what they want to charge me for minute amounts of stuff in Conan.

I realize they need the revenue. I just don’t see them working very hard to get it. They took the lazy whale route instead. And I’m not a whale for them.

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No dude. The ketchup and the simple burgers are the content everyone gets for free because others are buying the deluxe burgers. There’s a lot of new content in the game that people who don’t need to spend a dime get. Guess why? Someone else is paying.

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Here we go again?
Its not about free stuff, PEOPLE just should be able to pick and recycle everything (or store).
I am good with the idea that you cant equip weapon\armor skins you didn’t open.
But no ability to pick it up = protected loot. This is not about pvp only (but this is the issue too). Clan mates cant even pick it up from your body to secure it for you. Very unnecessary complication.

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They can make it again.
Listen, I wouldn’t mind, so that you know., but there were abuses. You had a guy buying one dlc and an entire clan using the stuff for free. Funcom put an end to that. However, they didn’t cut access to paid items without giving a whole lot in return.

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Pardon me, are you one of the shareholders or just gamer? Why this is even bother you? I played 1000 hours and bought all DLCs without thinking… oh no some1 using stuff fo FREE!!! We shouldn’t care about such thing… are we? What we get from that? As a OG gamer i cannot tolerate any restrictions put on my fellow mates.
So much cons, zero pros for us.

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Yeah, well, that freeloading mentality would ruin funcom and we would lose any improvement to the game. Fortunately they don’t think like you.

The pro is that you still have a game that has development going on, even if sometimes it doesn’t seem so.

So, you can quit the virtue signaling, because it would be worse for everyone if funcom went bankrupt or tencent decided to pull out from Conan’s development.

The con is that some content is much more expensive, but you also get a lot of free stuff. Not everyone can buy a Ferrari. That’s how things are.

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And how is buying the game (early access), every dlc, and battle pass - freeloading mentality?
The problem is about boundaries and interfering with some basic game mechanics (like take all option).
Now we have bases and pvpers with unlootable (protected) loot - just 1 example.
if you didn’t owe the skin item should converted into recourses when you pick it up i dont know.
Blocking stuff is the dullest decision.
And I am not signaling anything. Not me, but people open 432423 threads about how blocking skins is gonna ruin the game (check the forum).

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That would be a good idea, but is it even feasible?

About the many threads complainig, I really don’t give an efe. That mentality is spread with dire consequences to our society, so no wonder. It’s a social problem.
As I told you, I wouldn’t mind people having for free what I paid for, perhaps a little later. I am not that sort of person.
But I understand why funcom implemented this monetization system. Overall we’re better served than if it hadn’t. And probably they didn’t have a choice either.

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Probably the simplest solution - make skins (items) pickable, but not usable (characters slots and hotbar are blocked for them).
So you store it as a useless trophy or break via dismantling bench.
In my opinion devs should rely on bazaar to keep the game alive (not on BP skins).
So, prices should be more friendly, and item roster much more variable, so every1 can find smth for himself.

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The BP is very friendly. The BLB, well, people need to adopt a real life mentality. Most people don’t suffer because they can’t dress armani suits, do they? People need to drop the idea that they should be able to afford everything in the game. It’s like if you go to a Mercedes vendor. Maybe you can buy a class A with a few extras. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t make the class S 63 AMG coupe for those that can afford it. Here it’s the same and people need to get over it.

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It wouldn’t and we wouldn’t :slight_smile:

Or rather, “shouldn’t”.

It would only “ruin Funcom” if you accept the assumption that sharing is significantly more viable for players than buying. In other words, if you give people strong reasons not to buy, then they’ll prefer sharing.

That’s why music streaming drastically reduced piracy, because it’s a much better alternative. :man_shrugging:

So ask yourself, why is sharing a much better option than buying in Conan Exiles?

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Sharing doesn’t mean abusing and unfortunately that was what we had, @CodeMage . One guy in a clan bought a dlc and everyone else used the stuff for free. That’s “sharing” and Funcom almost went bankrupt because of it. Conan is kind of a niche game. Most people just want to spam a button and kill baddies. The game has complex mechanics and a learning curve that is not appealing to the general public. One of the things I love about CE is the multiplicity of facets this game has, but that is a deterrent to many players. I hope they don’t ever start watering it down.

Besides, they needed the money and Tencent will try to squeeze us as much as it possibly can. They cut back when the squeeze is so hard that they start losing money.
We have it good. It could be much worse. Really, we have a very affordable BP. We have new content for free. And we have a store for people that afford it. People need to drop the mentality that they should be able to afford everything. Life isn’t like that and neither are these monetization strategies. The BP is for almost everyone. The BLB isn’t.

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Yes, I understand how sharing works :smiley:

[citation needed]

Seriously, the idea that Funcom “amost went bankrupt” because of DLC sharing is the wildest conjecture ever.

Agreed.

This idea is exactly what I find so weird. There’s really no reason for this attitude. We’re not talking about physical goods here, so I can’t fathom why these digital goods can’t be made eventually accessible for everyone.

Unlike these monetization strategies, there are really good reasons why “life isn’t like that”.

But maybe I should just agree to disagree, because I feel like we’re going to slip back into the good old “rehash the same arguments over and over” song and dance.

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