Purge design goes against the original design of the game

When Conan first launched, a major selling point of the game was having the ability to build anywhere. On the side of a cliff, on the top of a cliff, in the water and even in the trees. The game building mechanics were designed around this freedom. The location of building and how you built was designed around protecting your base from PvP players in PvP servers. Players became experts in engineering designs to protect their long efforts in crafting whether it’s armor, weapons or even keeping the base together with Tier 3 materials. A large investment of time went into our creations. This then also prompted the ability to climb. Climbing allowed the player to get up to the hard to reach bases on rocks and to scale large walls. The RPG element was also designed around the level of our climbing abilities.

Now, with the introduction of the Purge mechanic, it has made all those previous features redundant and obsolete. The Purge mechanics are broken, causing great frustration within the communities. My self especially. What is the point of building our bases on the sides of large rocks, on top of them or in the waters to defend as best we can against PvP player raids, when the Purge simply can just spawn within your base and destroy it in very little time if the Purge don’t have a straight forward path to the item they are programmed to attack? Now, in order to play the game on any official server, you are bound to build on the ground to ensure the Purge have a path to your base so that you can defend it properly. Our building structures are no longer designed around the cunningness of our PvP enemies, but rather the dumb, lumbering programs of AI bots.

I strongly suggest removing Purge all together until a better design is created. Give them the ability to swim, or fly, or whatever in order to attack a base that has no pre-set path. Have the type of Purge enemies spawn accordingly to the destination in which it’s attacking. Stop this needless frustration you (Funcom) are placing onto the community with having their time invested into the game to come to a frustrating downward spiral simply because enemies spawn within the base unrealistically. There is simply no argument that can be made that validates why the developers would deliberately put this game breaking frustrations onto the user.

I’m not saying remove Purge all together. It’s a great addition to the game. I am simply highly recommending it be removed until it can be properly implemented into the game and doesn’t create the unwarranted frustrations on players who work hard in creating a base PvP players can’t break in only to lose their base to a Purge that spawns inside the base, through walls and on roofs.

Please fix this ASAP as I want to continue playing this game, but if this feature isn’t fixed, the community will only become smaller and smaller and not trust future games made by Funcom.

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I’ve never played an official servers or any PvP servers for that matter.

So the purge is turned on?

The defaults for the purge are pretty low, and I assume that is how they are set for official servers. Wouldn’t only the most active players only get a purge?

Could this possibly be designed to level the playing field? Seems like it only would affect those players or tribes that play a lot and build the hardest bases to attack in PvP.

Yes, they’re turned on within the official servers.

I had build a small, humble tower like base in the small lagoon just above noob river. I built it up to tier 3 materials and reached level 60 within 2 weeks. The Purge occurred and they spawned right in my base. Because it was such a small base, you can imagine I had very little room to defend it against the death like werewolf creatures, causing me to die multiple times. In no time, they had destroyed my base to the point of no return. AI spawning within a base makes no sense on any level, especially to a single player who is not apart of a tribe in an area that defended well against PvP players but clearly not so much against base spawning AI bots.

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But, let’s clean it up a bit, so real constructive information can be gained from this as a Bug Report, instead of a Suggestion.

  • Where is the affected base located?
    (With screenshots if possible.)

  • Is this happening with all Purge types?
    (Please list the Purge types that you believe to be spawning incorrectly.)

Where exactly are they spawning:

  • Are all waves spawning inside? ~ Or are only some waves spawning inside while others spawn outside?

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The main problem that I see with the Purge is that it doesn’t seem to have an internally consistent and coherent design. The way it is right now, it’s not really clear what its purpose is.

When it first got introduced, it was understood that it would provide some kind of tension or limiting force with regards to building on PVE servers. The idea was not to prevent people from building, but to introduce some kind of risk.

Then, at some point, they introduced Purge-only thralls. Suddenly, the Purge pivoted from a limiter to a risk-and-reward system.

Right now, it’s really weird. From what I’ve been able to see, the Purge meter seems to react a lot more to what you’ve been killing and the thralls you’ve been breaking on the wheel, than to what you’ve built. It’s also very hard to get it to trigger if you haven’t clanned up with at least one more player. So it definitely doesn’t seem to be meant as a limiter anymore.

Thing is, it doesn’t work as a challenge/reward system, either. The only reward you can get from the Purge is a Purge-only thrall, and you only get those from human purges. Now, human purges are difficulty 4. Official servers are set to difficulty 6. In theory, that means that you should have a chance of getting a Purge of any difficulty from 1-6, but in practice, it means vast regions of the map never get human Purges.

Even if we consider that to be a bug, and they fix it eventually, the way it “should” work according to Funcom is still flawed: setting the Purge difficulty to 6 means that the chance of getting the reward is lower. That might sound fine, but it isn’t, because this probability is a binary setting for the whole Purge: when you get Purged, you will either get a human Purge or you won’t; yes or no, on or off, that’s it.

On top of that all, there’s your original complaint that the Purge will spawn inside a base if the algorithm doesn’t “like” your base. And I use the word “like”, because I’ve had Purges spawn inside a base built on perfectly flat and accessible ground, with no disconnected bits or anything weird like that. For some reason, the algorithm couldn’t handle my base well and just shrugged and spawned enemies in my courtyard – fully paved, fully connected courtyard.

So what are we left with? Confusion. Take a few good but contradictory ideas, mash them together haphazardly, implement the resulting design poorly and you get the Purge as we have it.

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I personally do consider that a bug, I’ve wondered if the solution is to change the value of human Purges to 6 as well. 50/50 it’s human or not, but at least you can be Purged by the lvl 4 Purges that aren’t currently firing off on Official servers.

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As stated above, it was the small lagoon just above noob river.

I have no idea. I have only had 1 Purge experience and it occurred directly in my base. Online forums dating back over a year complain about the same issues but don’t go into detail which type.

All waves spawned inside my base and on top of my roof as well as multiple floors.

I do, too, but I’m not sure whether Funcom does. I seem to recall that someone from Funcom posted a response, in one of the threads about it, but their reply was the standard “hey, thanks for letting us know, we’ll bring it up with the devs” and that was it.

It’s right up Funcom’s alley, meaning that it’s a band-aid, but it would work better than right now :smiley:

I think the best solution for that particular problem would be to just make all Purges have a chance of spawning humans in their waves and then just fiddle with the spawn rates and probabilities for different regions, Purge types and difficulty levels. There’s an in-game justification for that, in Razma’s Journal #8:

“A nest of scorpions” or “an avalanche of Rocknoses” doesn’t really sound like soldiers that “ride through the land, slaying and pillaging”.

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The purges should be more of a mix of creatures and humans. This way they are not so tilted one way or the other. If i see it is only animals, then i let my thralls use their weapons. The minute i see they are all humans, i set them up with truncheons, and burn (poison pile) the ones i don’t want. If their was a mix, thier would chance of me killing the special thralls, and be a little more strategic. Am i more worried about capture vs losing parts of base?

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A temporary fix until a rework can be implemented. Overall less building limitations for those seeking human Purges.


I’ve considered and posted on this topic before.
I do think that is the best possible outcome.
But I’m contemplating a few factors, because overall I want Purges that make sense.
Purges that can make the community as a whole happy.
Having spoken to people who are for and against this option,
I think we can have a happy medium for both parties.


I absolutely adore that you referenced this.
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Is that gif suppose to imply that because I have only experienced one purge, and that single purge spawned in my base that is in the centre of a lagoon, with no path leading to land for enemies to walk, that it is within the realms of possible and realistic? Enemies just spawning directly in a base? That there is on some level a reason the devs would put a single player in a tribe of 1 in such a frustrating situation and expect the user to come out of this experience in a positive state of mind and think “hey, that was a great experience, I can’t wait to do that again”…???

So far, 100% of purge spawn experiences I’ve had have been them spawning in my base, that had no means for the AI to access. You don’t think that that is a pretty big issue, especially when I have said many users have experienced this game breaking bug for over a year and it’s still not addressed thus eliminating the very building mechanic that made Conan great, with the ability to build your base in hard to access areas allowing the user to express their creativity and design against PvP raids?

I believe your gif is out of place.

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It’s suppose to imply the fact that your response left me speechless.
Your lack of care to provide useable information to fix an issue you are so upset about, blows me away.


Purges can spawn inside a base if it’s built in such a way or, in a location in which there is no other way to access it.


If you don’t care for the Purge settings on your Official server, you can go to many Private servers that have tailored settings. Rent your own server or play in Offline mode where you can choose not to be Purged at all. The world of possibilities is your Oyster.


1/1 =100%

This is a distasteful and, deceiving way of relaying data.

I suggest relaying the information I requested above instead. It would actually be of use.

Here:


Nope.
I think if you build in a way to purposefully try and avoid the Purge, it should spawn where it can.

~ The Purge will find you.

We all have opinions.

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Come on even you have to admit the Purge mechanic are broken, my friend had a dragon spawn in his bedroom. Oh yes btw they had tons of ways for the purge to get to the base, it just is so broken that it does not follow any mechanics at all.

It follows no logic at all other then you live where there are spiders you get spiders not humans you live where all there is is wolves you get wolves. It does not matter how you build your base they can and will spawn inside. Does not matter if it is a dragon on your bed or a bunch of archers spawn in the middle of your roof 6 stories up where no way in hell they can get but they spawn there like magic. It is broken has been broken and many have commented on how broken it is but still some feel like it is ok to make fun of those who speak up about it being broken. Just admit it is broken and that Funcom does not want or feel like fixing it or maybe they do not care. It has been broken for ages and never even an attempt at a fix for it.

I do not know the reason they do not fix it nor do I have a clue what is wrong with it but it is broken and trying to get people to provide a ton of proof that is broken is out of line, WE ALL know it is broken and not admitting that is just a lie, its broken and a picture will not fix it ( sure we all have time while trying to NOT die to take pictures lol ) as its not a bug for just some people its broken period not just on official servers but on private as well.

I also think your gif is out of place and rude to be honest.

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maybe the gif is out of place but the message is valid. 1 purge and the result is a wall of text that this system is broken? what? I’m also speechless…

the system is sometimes a bit strange but purges inside a not reachable base is a design decision of the devs. is it a good decision? maybe not but it is a least not a bug. is the pathfinding of the purges bugged? maybe but without more details (what are the purge spawn points? how is the pathfinding working? …) it’s not easy to asnwer.

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I am definitely one of the biggest supporters on this forum of balancing and making sure the Purge is functioning correctly.


Here’s the thing, I made it super simple.
The information in which will help fix the issue boils down to proper reporting. What does that mean you may be asking yourself. Good question, it means if you feel the Purge has a proper path to your base and regardless it’s still spawning inside or on top of your base. Providing the following information would be more helpful then misusing the report system for your own agenda.

The Following Information:


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I’m really trying here. I just can’t


First off, it absolutely does matter where you build, and I’m not even gonna take the time to explain to you why.

But here’s a tool to help you help yourself:

https://conanexiles.gamepedia.com/The_Purge

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This belongs in Bugs, not Suggestions.

It no longer becomes a bug after its been in game and reported over and over and over forever. So maybe his suggestion should have been they fix their bugs. Either way its broken and reporting it for the 1000s time will not create a fix, maybe if it is talked about more or shown that is game breaking to have your base destroyed by whole gangs spawning inside your base, why put a door on even. Come on bugs get fixed after awhile, so I suggest this is one that needs fixed. Being rude does not make those that are frustrated by bugs that last months does not make us less frustrated it just makes it so people do not report or talk about bugs as they are afraid to get made fun of or talked down to or to spend their time they sooner be playing to report the bug that has been reported over and over and still not fixed , better ways to get your point across I assure you. You know I commented on this as I felt that its important that bugs get fixed and when they do not get fixed maybe a suggestion for it will get the attention of someone who cares if they get fixed but I see why many do not comment , it makes you not care when every thing you say is picked apart and treated badly. You made your point that its report the buy and then just forget it as suggesting something gets fixed is wrong. Sorry wont make this mistake again. You got your way I do not care either.

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If you think that was my point you completely misinterpreted what I’ve been saying this entire time. Which is unfortunate.

I was in no way saying that something you perceive as a bug shouldn’t be reported. However what I am suggesting is that not everyone has this issue. Not every Purge spawns inside or on bases. But if you are to report the issue with precision, then the development team can examine the issue and come up with an actual fix. No bases should be immune to the Purge, but I can understand the frustration of it spawning inside your base if a path to your base is accessible. Although if you are not interested in being Purged you have options for different server types that may fit you better overall.