Well if you done any testing you would know you still light attack combo people to death with both who cant manage their stamina or run horrible builds. Both weapons are more of a utility pick. Gada you can literally 1shot people with sprint attack bug. Im just saying 5 to 6 hits to kill vs 1 is a hell of a difference.
Also there are multiple ways to counter Lodestone/Whale. People are just not with the meta or too stupid to figure them out.