Save the oasis of Nekhet

[CodeMage]

@DeaconElie

First sentence.

@DeaconElie

The oasis of Nekhet is just that, about the only freshwater access around sepermeru. Beautiful wild life, jaguar cub spawns, multiple materials, mini boss, world boss and chest…

Like I said, not one valid reason. Just your preference.

@DeaconElie

Now what we are arguing about is how much acreage around that marker is the point of interest.

No, what we’re arguing about is how much of it, if any, should be included in a no-build zone.

@DeaconElie

Is the volcano limited to that little icon shape on the map? Or is it not a POI?

No, the volcano is not a POI. It’s also not limited to the icon on the map. The volcano is a biome that includes several POIs.

@DeaconElie

You know it’s not just me why post like you think it is?

Because you’re the only one who thinks that you’re entitled to making everyone else conform to your personal taste. It doesn’t matter if you share that taste with no one else, or a handful of others, or more than half of the official server players, it’s still just a taste.

It’s no different from asking Funcom to make it impossible to use orange dye and pink dye on the same piece of armor because you think that orange and pink don’t go together.

And the fact that you’re pretending you don’t understand that is all that needs to be said about this discussion.

[Onomog]

@Winthor

Because if I would follow that logic of yours

My logic was to empathize with their frustration and understand where they are coming from. I don’t agree with their logic or their solution, and no where in anything I wrote in this thread did I imply as much.

I play on public servers because I enjoy, for the most part, the interactions with other players. I got fed up with the over building on PVE servers and made the decision to try out PVP servers, despite hearing about how awful they were from the forums. So far it’s been a good choice - the servers are not over built and I’ve met some nice people. The point of all that is to say that we all have to make choices regarding what we’re willing to put up with and what we need to do when we reach our own personal thresholds. That does not include blanket no build zones, IMO, but rather coming up with a solution that works for you and doesn’t impose on others.

[CodeMage]

@Onomog

I don’t mean to speak for them, but my take away is that the oasis is just an example of places that are paved over or over built by players without much thought to the resources or scenery that is lost, and the impact to their fellow players, when they do so.

It doesn’t matter if the scenery is breathtakingly beautiful or completely unremarkable. It doesn’t matter that a bunch of resources that you can find literally all over the map are now unavailable. All of those are just personal preferences. They don’t make other players’ experience on the server worse.

Here are some of the things that actually do make other players’ experience worse:

• Buildings that degrade server performance.
• Despawning and/or blocking access to unique and/or valuable content, such as world bosses, mini-bosses, POIs, dungeons, etc.
• Buildings that exist for no other purpose but to block access to an area.
• Purely decorative buildings that serve no purpose.

If a player is doing that, it doesn’t matter where, it’s bad for other players and it shouldn’t be done. Taking one arbitrary region and making it into a no-build zone is not a solution for the underlying problem, it’s just someone’s personal whim.

So as long as you don’t actually impact your fellow players, you should be free to build in the Oasis of Nekhet, even if it makes a grump like me frown and mutter about people ruining the scenery.

@Onomog

My impression is that it’s just the example that set them off.

I think you should look at the threads @DeaconElie has created. You might end up revising your impression afterwards. However, if you don’t want to spend your time on that, I’ll TL;DR it for you: @DeaconElie has repeatedly shown that they don’t care to distinguish between “this is bad for other players and should be dealt with” and “I don’t like this, so it should be dealt with”. If they don’t like someone’s build, it’s either against the rules or the rules are bad and should be changed to ban that build.

I’ve exhausted what little empathy I’ve had for that attitude.

[Onomog]

@CodeMage

So as long as you don’t actually impact your fellow players, you should be free to build in the Oasis of Nekhet, even if it makes a grump like me frown and mutter about people ruining the scenery.

As I mentioned up thread, I get it. To paraphrase Voltaire, I may disapprove of your build but I will defend to the death your right to build it. As I mentioned in my reply to @Winthor my solution to the problem was to move off official PVE servers. I think @DeaconElie should do the same.

(edit for spelling)

[DeaconElie]

@Winthor

Because if I would follow that logic of yours I would have to demand the whole map except my own spot to be a no building zone because I do not like people building their bases everywhere.

That isn’t logic, that is a logical fallacy. I can see where the two terms sharing the first 5 letters can be confusing.

@Winthor

I do not have the right to go to any server and demand people to build the way I personally like it.

A request isn’t a demand, not sure why you think it is?

@Taemien

The OP wants to play one way, and anyone who plays with him needs to play that way as well.

It’s a simple request, I’m not asking everyone to sacrifice their first born to me; yet.

Now, tell me, am I wrong or do you only play on private servers? Now should I discount your opinion because you don’t play on a public server? Or should I just immediately discount your opinion because I mistakenly believe you don’t play the game any more

@Taemien

Otherwise, I can come on here and say no build zone all of Exiled Lands and Siptah because

Did you fall in to some one’s logical fallacy? Or is this just an old fashion case of reductio ad absurdum?

@CodeMage

Like I said, not one valid reason. Just your preference.

I consider them valid reasons.

@CodeMage

No, what we’re arguing about is how much of it, if any, should be included in a no-build zone.

Agree

@CodeMage

The volcano is a biome that includes several POIs.

And the oasis isn’t? It’s not as big, or encompasses as many but it is a biome none the less.

@CodeMage

Because you’re the only one who thinks that you’re entitled to making everyone else conform to your personal taste.

It’s a simple request why try so hard to blow it out of proportion?

@CodeMage

And the fact that you’re pretending you don’t understand

I’m not pretending because there is nothing there to understand.
Not even comparable.

More over why wouldn’t it be my right as a player to request just that? I mean you’re going on about not wanting there public servers to be HOAs; to late. Yet want to limit what I can request on the forum
Marinate on that while I check my BBQ chicken.

@CodeMage

So as long as you don’t actually impact your fellow players, you should be free to build in the Oasis of Nekhet, even if it makes a grump like me frown and mutter about people ruining the scenery.

But that is an actual impact on your game play, it made you frown.

@CodeMage

If they don’t like someone’s build, it’s either against the rules or the rules are bad and should be changed to ban that build.

Think 3 of 4 means admin agrees with me.

@CodeMage

I’ve exhausted what little empathy I’ve had for that attitude.

And I’m exhausted with you going in to histrionics every time some one posts something you don’t like. Everything is turned up to 11.

I swear, me asking for a noise ordinance in the park isn’t me grabbing a gun and shooting everyone that has their music load enough to hear. Take it back about 5 clicks.

[CodeMage]

@DeaconElie

I consider them valid reasons.

You can consider the Earth to be flat, too, but it isn’t. Personal preferences aren’t valid reasons to make a whole region into a no-build zone.

@DeaconElie

It’s a simple request why try so hard to blow it out of proportion?

The problem with your request isn’t its complexity, it’s precisely its proportion. The request itself is out of proportion.

@DeaconElie

More over why wouldn’t it be my right as a player to request just that?

No. Strictly speaking, we players have no rights except those granted to us by Funcom. As user of this public forum, you have the right to post your request. And as another user of this public forum, I have the right to tell you just how absurdly entitled and self-centered your request is.

@DeaconElie

I mean you’re going on about not wanting there public servers to be HOAs

No, I’m not. I said I don’t like HOA Karens.

@DeaconElie

Yet want to limit what I can request on the forum

Not at all. Like I said, on this forum you’re free to request whatever you want. You can request they add green, fire-breathing, rainbow-farting giraffes if you want. And then, when people tell you exactly why they think that’s a bad idea, you can resort to all sorts of mental and rhetorical gymnastics to prove you’re the only one right and everyone else is either too stupid to understand you or is somehow trying to victimize you.

@DeaconElie

But that is an actual impact on your game play, it made you frown.

See what I mean? I’ve seen pretzels with fewer twists

That’s not what “gameplay” means.

But hey, I’m glad we’re finally getting somewhere and it’s now crystal clear that Funcom should change the game to avoid making @DeaconElie frown

@DeaconElie

And I’m exhausted with you going in to histrionics every time some one posts something you don’t like.

Tough break. In case you misunderstood, my comment was a reply to @Onomog’s call for empathy, explaining why empathy is completely undeserved in this case.

@DeaconElie

I swear, me asking for a noise ordinance in the park isn’t me grabbing a gun and shooting everyone that has their music load enough to hear.

No, you’re asking for the park to be permanently closed because you didn’t like how many people were in it and that some of those people didn’t pick up their dogs’ poop.

@DeaconElie

Take it back about 5 clicks.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

[DeaconElie]

Really not sure after all of that why you can’t see, you’re the one on the high dive. You’re the one getting all worked up, you’re the one trying to turn my simple request in to some dictatorial demand. I swear you’d turn a drop of water on your toe in to drowning in the deep end.

@CodeMage

See what I mean? I’ve seen pretzels with fewer twists

Joke dude, do I need to add an emoji so you know I’m being facetious.

@CodeMage

No, you’re asking for the park to be permanently closed because you didn’t like how many people were in it and that some of those people didn’t pick up their dogs’ poop.

Not even close. This is a prime example of arguing with you. You read something pump it up to 11, twist to something you can use as a bad example and some how think you have made some point.

@CodeMage

Pot. Kettle. Black.

I’m at a 2.

[CodeMage]

@DeaconElie

you’re the one trying to turn my simple request in to some dictatorial demand

No need to turn it into anything. You don’t like people building in the Oasis of Nekhet. You’re requesting to make that whole region into a no-build zone simply because you don’t like it. I’m saying that your request entitled, self-centered, and disproportionate, and saying that a request like that shouldn’t be implemented without a valid reason.

And now that you failed to present valid reasons for it, you’re resorting to playing victim

@DeaconElie

Joke dude, do I need to add an emoji so you know I’m being facetious.

At this point? Please do. It’s getting hard to distinguish between obtuse and facetious.

@DeaconElie

You read something pump it up to 11

Sure, asking for a new no-build zone with a surface area of a whole grid square is definitely not pumped up to 11, you needed my contribution for that

[DeaconElie]

@CodeMage

No need to turn it into anything.

Then why do it?

[CodeMage]

@DeaconElie

Then why do it?

I didn’t. It was born like that.

[DeaconElie]

@DeaconElie

I’d like to see the entire area a no build zone.

Please explain to me how that is

@CodeMage

entitled, self-centered, and disproportionate,

I didn’t do in to histrionics, throw a tantrum, make any sort of demands, but your entire argument is that is what I did.

You first post was confrontational and it went down hill form there. Second line went personal, really?

Your first post was looking for a fight. Why are you so angry all the time?

[CodeMage]

@DeaconElie

I didn’t do in to histrionics, throw a tantrum, make any sort of demands, but your entire argument is that is what I did.

No, my argument is not that you threw a tantrum or resort to histrionics. I have no idea where you’re getting that. In fact, you’re the only one using those words here, and you’re trying to ascribe them to me.

My argument is that your request is entitled and self-centered, because you want a whole grid squared to be impossible to build on, for no better reason than your own tastes. If you really can’t see why that’s entitled and self-centered, there is literally no way to explain it to you.

As for “disproportionate”, that only applies if you’re actually trying to protect something gameplay-related in the area, like the boss spawn, or the mini-boss, or the 3 Relic Hunter NPCs. If you’re not, which seems to be the case, you can cross off “disproportionate” from the whole list.

@DeaconElie

Second line went personal, really?

It probably feels “personal”, because you’re pretty much the only one around here who insists on behaving like you do

If there were more people constantly opening new threads to complain about builds they personally don’t like and trying to present their own personal preferences as a matter of the server rules – or necessary changes in the game – I would also react the same way towards them, and then it would feel less personal.

@DeaconElie

Why are you so angry all the time?

I’m not “angry”. I’m just not in the mood to write less bluntly.

[jmk1999]

Here’s an idea… build there yourself. But when you do, make it sparse and mesh well with the scenery. Utilize the terrain to integrate it into the build. Then, you control the zone. Unfortunately, this also means you can’t just build a box base this time if you want to make the area pretty and the build complimentary to the area. Just saying… there’s options.

[sestus2009]

Don’t forget Cranium. Lol.

[Eniguman]

This is exactly what I do to my favorite places so people don’t plop a giant ugly box over it

[Croms_Faithful]

@DeaconElie

I’d like all of the oasis of Nehhet a no build zone. Save the oasis

I am affraid I must politely disagree with this suggestion. We do not need to start setting up in-game pseudo nature reserves. It sets a troubling precedent. For example, let us say that Funcom accomodates DeaconElie’s request and makes the Oasis of Nekhet unbuildable. What happens when the next week when user Jacko365 wants Messenger’s Respite made unbuildable? Then a couple of weeks later player ‘X’ wants location ‘Y’ to become unbuildable…? And all of the other requests thereafter? Huge swathes of the map would become unbuildable. Furthermore, what of the players who already have legitimate, rule compliant bases there. Should they have to relinquish potentially years worth of hard work!? Coming from someone this has happened to them in the past, it really blows.

Sorry but this is a ‘no’ from me. We do not need virtual nature reserves. If players want locations they find aesthetically pleasing to be safe from development, then my advice is to start or find a good private server in which building there is disallowed.

[Pugilist]

@CodeMage

Dude, either learn to deal with other people not catering to your personal whims, or find a server that does, or play in single-player.

Exactly.

[Pugilist]

@CodeMage

@DeaconElie

Why are you so angry all the time?

I’m not “angry”. I’m just not in the mood to write less bluntly.

Exactly. I can’t be responsible for how someone reacts to facts or my disagreement to their position.

[DeaconElie]

@Croms_Faithful

Huge swathes of the map would become unbuildable.

Huge swaths of the map aren’t POIs.
And yes I think there should be a reasonable no build around ALL map marked POIs.
Not sure why people think building over a POI is some how sharing the server.

Now I wont build on a POI because apparently I have far too much consideration for my fellow players.
I also don’t get this all or nothing philosophy of some people. Never understood these herculean leaps people make to the furthest possible extreme. Like everyone has went to the school of reductio ad absurdum.

The discussion of expanding no build zones is nothing new or extreme. I know it will never happen, wont change my mind in thinking it should. You know what causes servers to go to crap? Tolerating the first turd dropped. Why are PVE servers such an over build mess? Tolerance.

@Pugilist

I can’t be responsible for how someone reacts to facts

What facts? This thread is nothing but opinions.

My opinion all POIs should be no build zones, that includes all lore stones and notes. NO, if you are a completionist that is by the server not the discovery. And before certain people go off half cocked, no I’m not. I have found them all; usually by accident, but I have never made it a maddening quest. BUT the option should be there on all public servers. You’re not sharing the server by blocking my game play.

@Onomog

my take away is that the oasis is just an example of places that are paved over or over built by players without much thought to the resources or scenery that is lost, and the impact to their fellow players, when they do so. My impression is that it’s just the example that set them off.

The most intelligent thing posted in this thread. I even told you all what set this thread off.

My opinion the best places to build around the oasis; and there are many that are usually empty, provide a vista of the oasis, which I think is part of it’s purpose. But paving over it not only deprives other players of this beauty, it also deprives other players the shared bounty of the area.

Sorry CodeMage but I only know one way to deal with your sort of hostility, and I simply wont go there. I’m blunt, you’re just being hostile and wanting to make it personal.

[Pugilist]

@DeaconElie

@Pugilist

I can’t be responsible for how someone reacts to facts

What facts? This thread is nothing but opinions.

If I had any illusion of why you are not worth my time in a discussion, this has settled it. What did I actually say?

Let’s go to the tape:

@Pugilist

@CodeMage

@DeaconElie

Why are you so angry all the time?

I’m not “angry”. I’m just not in the mood to write less bluntly.

Exactly. I can’t be responsible for how someone reacts to facts or my disagreement to their position.

Emphasis added.

In the vein of your quoting “rules”:

@DeaconElie

I am wrong

Granted, I chose what letters I wanted to use from your posts, but, hey, if we are going out of context, let’s go out of context. This partial quote crap is for amateurs.