Set Antidote unfair

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Right, following on the footsteps of barbarism never ended badly. Soooo… you argument is nobody would choose Set for poison arrows, those alone are worth the religion in my view, as overpowered as they are. Now tell me, honestly, what other religion has an item that is so crucial as that Antidote? My stament complains about what I think makes Set a religion you can compare to no other, please, if your argument is coherent, give me one item that any religion offers that compares in importance to that antidote… one. So my quarrel is not a paladin complaining he can’t break his oath, were you to read it carefully, it’s about an unbalanced religious mechanic you speak of; what… does the night eye potion compare in any way? Only example I can come up with, but night eye is an abyss away from the relevance of this antidote.

If you think is fine to choose a deity for usefulness and not for principle, you negate the whole faith infrastructure, and when you give a religion such a wide advantage over all the others, I think I can call this out as unfair: My paladin is not complaining he can’t break his oath, he is complaining your game mechanics are unbalanced greatly. BTW the nature of D&D is balance, not a lop-sided item that makes all other religions virtually pointless by comparison.

Oh, and, if your argument is cohesive, explain Crom.

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I wouldn’t consider antidotes crucial for PVE gameplay, you can simply heal through poison. The berserkers draught from Ymir has had its heyday and the derketo elixer have been staples in my gameplay. There’s been times where set antidotes were absolutely crucial for PVP but barely so now. I mention PVP because that is what I do. I remember the Mitra staff and mitrasoup being very important too. Most of this stuff isn’t even important anymore.

Maybe going further into the possible religion rework/Age that have been proposed.

I think your argument centers around your gameplay exclusively though and is selfish. Not saying it in a negative way; all of us are selfish. Sometimes we can’t have our cake and eat it too.

This is by and large a complaint borne of your own restrictions so I can’t see most agreeing with you. I don’t.

You’ll have to make concessions or break your immersion.

Probably not what you want to hear.

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I must agree - I never use them. The only time I ever even craft them is if I want to upgrade a Set altar to get the arrows. I can see how there may have been a time in PVP when they were useful (Feroxic daggers meta springs to mind…), but I’ve never felt a need for them in PVE/singleplayer. The Derketo stamina potion is my usual goto for religion, unless I’m just sticking with Crom (‘and to hall wid you’ to the gods…). Obviously, that’s going to be different for different players, and the OP evidently feels that the antidote is important to him. I don’t find it to be so important, but that may just be personal taste.

In my view the Derketo potion is far more useful than the Set Antidote - I simply don’t value the antidote highly at all. I don’t deny that the Set arrows are powerful, but similarly, I rarely use them, and often don’t bother crafting any in a given playthrough. In my view, the religions are reasonably well-balanced on power level, but that comes down to the value I find for these things in my own playthroughs. Not to suggest that your opinion is wrong, just that it is less universal than you seem to consider it.

Whatever the case - now is probably a good time to be bringing up issues like this. It seems probable that one of the next couple of Ages will include a religion overhaul of some sort, so now is a good time for people to be expressing their opinions on how well or badly elements of the current system work.

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Sorry, I don’t understand what you’re trying to say with this. I understand the sentence, I just don’t see how it relates to what I wrote. If it’s important, you might wanna explain it.

No, that’s not my argument. My main argument is that it’s not “unfair” for a religion to give you unique game mechanics that you don’t get without that religion.

I also have a secondary argument, but I’ll get to that soon.

Okay, that makes sense. It wasn’t clear – at least to me – that you were complaining about that. It sounded more like you wanted to remove antidote from Set religion or add a non-religious item with identical characteristics, rather than wanting all other religions to have items or mechanics that are as “crucial” as the antidote.

I can totally agree with adding important and fun elements to all other religions.

That said, I’m not sure I agree that no other religion has important elements.

This question is not as straightforward as you think. Different playstyles place different importance on different aspects. And it’s further muddled by the constant changes the devs make, revamping mechanics and introducing stuff that makes other stuff obsolete without balancing things properly.

That said, there was a time when PVP players used to say that Berserker Draught (from Ymir religion) is absolutely necessary. Since I don’t play PVP, I don’t know if that still holds.

Then there was the time Zath was the only way to get enough skulls to level up your sorcery without getting bored out of your, um, skull :wink:

Then you have players who (used to) swear by purified flesh (from Yog religion), because it’s food that doesn’t decay.

Yeah, because “faith” is role-play and, whether you like it or not, role-playing is optional in Conan Exiles. :man_shrugging:

What about Crom? May my friend @Croms_Faithful forgive me for this, but there is no “Crom religion” in the game.

The choice you get at character creation is simply a choice of which religion you get for free, but you can still learn and follow and use all religions, without any restrictions or exclusions. Picking Crom at character creation is simply a way to say you don’t want any freebies.

It’s also a role-playing choice, but again, role-playing is optional.

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Yes, feroxic dagger meta was a dark time XD

But in general poison used to be very deadly. Running out of dotes was usually a surefire death. In many ways I’m happy because there WAS too much reliance on poison as a meta; the exercise of spamming pots to cure yourself felt like a micromanaging nightmare. In some ways I’m sad though as poison has been nerfed to being pointless. For a hot minute disease was pretty OP - I was downing players with Gavain’s Rusty Pike before the complete spear nerf. At the same time those punching daggers with the same were meta.

Last true PVP playthrough I kept half a stack of antidotes “just in case” and rarely used them on load outs. Even if I was poisoned with gas or anything else. I just healed through it.

Most of my antidotes in the last year-ish were spent on removing the debuff from being drunk because it is sometimes easier to make the lotus potions or they even had better buffs rather than elixers.

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They still exist XD

But also the buff was pretty important.

I mean really, is there anything religion related that is important anymore?

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I must be doing something wrong.

I’ve been playing 7 years now, but I’ve never needed an antidote.
All I do is wait it out, maybe use a aloe potion.
I’ve tried some of the regions Set was one I did try, still never needed an antidote.

Is it a pve thing? or a RP thing? Because I mostly played PVP.

Although I’m not playing PVP at the moment, I still have never had poison last more than a few ticks of health.

you can keep the others,
I’ll stick to Crom.

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He he he, If I had complained about poison, I would agree, my whole post is about a hangover, not curing poison… for pete’s sake, I whish folk would actually read the post before going selfish and expressing your personal preference. Again, a HANGOVER, not surviving poison, and being a Norheimer, I do not at all feel selfish about asking for something any apothecary could fix… with more alcohol. Now, drinking alcoholic beverages should not need an entire framework for a religion, and should not require you to miserably murder your immersion factor. If we do not agree there, then there is nothing further we should argue, we are speaking passed one another.

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He he he, If I had complained about poison, I would agree, my whole post is about a hangover, not curing poison… for pete’s sake, I whish folk would actually read the post before going selfish and expressing your personal preference. Again, a HANGOVER, not surviving poison, and being a Norheimer, I do not at all feel selfish about asking for something any apothecary could fix… with more alcohol. Now, drinking alcoholic beverages should not need an entire framework for a religion, and should not require you to miserably murder your immersion factor. If we do not agree there, then there is nothing further we should argue, we are speaking passed one another… PvP is not at all what i speak of, Single player is what I stated, could not give more of a flying flamingo F%&# about PvP

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He he he, If I had complained about poison, I would agree, my whole post is about a hangover, not curing poison… for pete’s sake, I whish folk would actually read the post before going selfish and expressing your personal preference. Again, a HANGOVER, not surviving poison, and being a Norheimer, I do not at all feel selfish about asking for something any apothecary could fix… with more alcohol. Now, drinking alcoholic beverages should not need an entire framework for a religion, and should not require you to miserably murder your immersion factor. If we do not agree there, then there is nothing further we should argue, we are speaking passed one another.

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Crom is a neon sign rotating about your head telling you the devs thought of religion as a source of context for religion, telling you it is there just because you can choose the religion that suits your character, should you wish to access such content, meaning, religion is a factor for many roleplayers, if you don’t have a problem roleplaying a set worshipper with all of it’s hideousness, that’s on you, I will choose very differently; but do not deprive me for a &%# ^&&&# hangover cure, sheesh.

If I had complained about poison, I would agree, Set should have the best poison; and yes, the potion you mention is helpful yet, my whole post is about a hangover, not curing poison… for pete’s sake, I whish folk would actually read the post before going selfish and expressing your personal preference. Again, a HANGOVER, not surviving poison, and being a Norheimer, I do not at all feel selfish about asking for something any apothecary could fix… with more alcohol. Now, drinking alcoholic beverages should not need an entire framework for a religion, and should not require you to miserably murder your immersion factor. If we do not agree there, then there is nothing further we should argue, we are speaking passed one another.

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My bad, usually I read the entire post.
But…
well I can’t see very well right now, I don’t want to go into details, but it’s like looking through a pin hole in cardboard.

I never messed with the in game libations either, I think the few times I did, I never thought an antidote would matter.

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He he he, If I had complained about poison, I would agree, my whole post is about a hangover, not curing poison… for pete’s sake, I whish folk would actually read the post before going selfish and expressing your personal preference. Again, a HANGOVER, not surviving poison, and being a Norheimer, I do not at all feel selfish about asking for something any apothecary could fix… with more alcohol. Now, drinking alcoholic beverages should not need an entire framework for a religion, and should not require you to miserably murder your immersion factor. If we do not agree there, then there is nothing further we should argue, we are speaking passed one another.

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That was not clear in your OP.

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“I am a Nordheimer and I love to drink alcoholic brews, yet I can’t, I am not going to build a temple to a god I despise…”

Apologies, I figured that was as clear as can be.

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No, not really. It gave me pause and I wasn’t sure what to make of it but I didn’t think it was the hangover issue.

So you want a hangover cure?

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The violet potion, that is what I rescued from this post. And apologies again, I disagree on the clarity of the post; Nordheimer, alcoholic brews, can’t take them because lack of a cure, and never once mention poison in the entire op… /shrug.

Is there anything else that cures hangovers, please?

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Perhaps. But the overall assumption was poison. We can agree to disagree.

As for a cure, not really. You can put your character in AA? No hangovers! Or continue your story and accept that there’s consequences to drinking like irl.

Although I do wish that other than drinking copious amounts of water in between each glass of wine I had a hangover cure XD

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He he he - you’re posting an opinion in a public forum - expect other people to have opinions and respond with them.

This is your words. An opinion you stated, that I (and others) responded to. Did you read your own words? Did you read the responses to them?

Where did I mention poison as the reason I don’t view the Set religion as being overpowered compared to others? Hangover, poison, I don’t care. I responded to your statement (which you claimed was ‘complaining about what makes Set a religion that can compare to no other’ - no mention of hangover cures in that…).

So it’s fine for you to express your personal preferences, but not for others to express theirs? And all this for a ‘roleplaying’ element that you claim you need for your immersion - because your Nordheimer needs his hangovers cured. If you were concerned even slightly about immersion, you’d be more reasonable to accept hangovers as a consequence of getting drunk, rather than pleading with a god for a cure. And if you really cared about immersion, a Nordheimer would not be worshipping Mitra in the first place - that’s the chief god of the Hyborians.

Then why are you trying to use your hangover needs to call for an overhaul of the entire framework for a religion?

If having a hangover for a couple of minutes after getting drunk is ‘murdering your immersion factor’, then I’d suggest you have bigger problems than which god to worship.

When your point was ‘complaining that one religion is better than another’ that was worth some possible discussion - especially now, as several of us have pointed out - but if it’s just about the fact that you like roleplay drinking, but don’t like roleplay hangovers, and that’s why you want a change to the religions, then that’s just your problem.

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I guess your concept of a hangover in the middle of a tough fight is different than mine. You assume, that’s your thing, yet I am all for Set having the best poison. The consequences for a hangover are certainly a roleplay thing, but they made a cure. Even the curative mixture exists in the game, so they did create something, only they did not make it viable. If you do not agree that pairing a hangover cure with a poison antidote exclusive to a religion is unfair to folk that want to simply drink, then we will get nowhere and I shall discreetly walk out of the room.