So how many Mods is to many Mods?

Simple question. As I go through the process of building my dedicated server, I am wondering how many Mods are too many Mods? Mainly from a players perspective. I do notice that a modded server takes a min or two to log into. So at what point do players shy away from servers with say 20-23 mods.

Thank you for the feedback.

I don’t typically run mods, but my answer to this question is simple. If it crashes my game or makes me lag too bad, it’s too many mods. If you want a number value, I’d say you should cap it at 10.

I look at it this way: if someone thinks my server’s 34 mods is too much, then they just don’t want it bad enough.

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Ummm…it really depends upon the TYPE of mods.

The type of mods that are definitely the type that ‘usually’ will not cause issues are the modify Vanilla Game type things like clothing or add decorations. These are very safe to have in a mod list…they can be rather HUGE downloads on some but the Role Play of decorating is well worth it.

I would say 3-4GB of download for these types of mods is kind of a Soft Limit. The really GOOD MODS like this most people playing modded servers will already have them. They tend to be THAT good…Savage Steel 1 & 2 for example!

Another type of mod that works well is a mod that uses something called a Mod Controller to ‘Inject’ their Data Table modifications INTO CE tables. This is a built in feature of the CE DevKit and really good modders make use of it. These are also quite safe but also need to be tested with latest patches and compiled…so a bit more maintenance. It is important to stick with Very Good Modders that Continue supporting their mods. There are a few and they are always in the Most Subscribed list on the CE Steam Workshop. Some mods have not been updated since May 2018…and that CAN be fine if the design intent of the mod plays very nice with the Vanilla Game.

Last type is the Scripted Tools…these HAVE to be kept to a bare minimum and MUST BE of the type that can basically Run On Their Own in that they ADD to CE and not try to bend CE to their will. Again the Top Tier Pro Modders will be in the Most Subscribed.

I have 21 Mods in my server and Load List Tested over time. I have zero issues and updates very rarely do anything abnormal. The game loads up fast too.

Hope that helps.

@Rohi hank you Rohi. This is a list of the mods I am playing around with running. AoC I am not sure about yet since when its “turned on” it really slows down load time. The purpose of this server is to create as close to an Persistent MMORPG server as I can within the realms of CE of course and a focus on building, exploration and quests/lore. I am in the gaming industry but have never ran a CE server before. This is a side project of mine.

The purpose of many of the mods as you can see from the list is really to add lots of placeables to not only give the players many options but also my writers/builders alot to work with.

Does this list look like it is to many?

Pippi - 880454836
DungeonMasters Tools - 1699858371
###The Age of Calamitous - 1113901982
VallenHeim - 1959075725
Base_Mat_Worker - 1942356065
Forsaken_Tomb_Re-Imagined - 1381246334
The_Generals_Tomb - 1435629448
Vault of the Forgotten Kings - 1954859505
Endgame Extended Weapon Arsenal - 1734383367
Frost and Volcanic Placeable - 1938214103
ThrallSideKick 0.5.4 - 1802389425
Shadows of Skelos - Extended - 1705201022
Dudes Delightful Decorations - 1934607107
Immerse RP : Buildings & Placebles Decorations - 1394768794
Savage Steel - 1367404881
Savage Steel Vol 2 - 1598693222
Pythagoras Support Beams - 1382183303
LBPR - Additional Improvements Add-On - 1444947329
LBPR: Fish : 1666355337
Builder’s Workbench Reborn - 1959174056
Less Building Placement Restrictions - 1369743238
Pickup+ - 864199675
Emberlight - 1369802940
Immersive Armor - 1966733568
IQOL - 1657730588
ExtendedCartography - 1641464108
VeloX-Tattoos - 1546922129
Hosavs Custom UI Mod - 1797359985

@xXBelocXx

So these are my opinions but I will give my opinion to the left of each. Intent is to not start a Flame War on a Mod but just to be aware.

My Modlist which has been incredibly stable for a very long time. I have played with some other mods and had to wipe a number of times because they just ‘Did Something’. Dad and I created this list to make it very AD&D-like and NWN1-like (Dad is the creator of Olander’s Realistic Systems - ORS). This list is absolutely perfect for Role Players and Micro-MMO.

Pippi - User & Server Management :: 880454836
NoxUIchanges :: 1383365330
Skimpy Armors (2018) :: 1368652757
CNC (Cuffs & Collars) :: 1407413080
Savage Steel 1 :: 1367404881
Savage Steel 2 :: 1598693222
LPBR (Less Building Placement Restrictions) :: 1369743238
LBPR: Fish and Shell Trap Bug Fix :: 1666355337
LPBR - Additional Improvement Add-On :: 1444947329
Fashionist :: 1159180273
WYSIWYG Wheel of Pain :: 897947497
Conan Sexiles :: 1206493209
Barbarian Barber :: 2050780234
Unlock Plus :: 877108545
Pickup+ :: 864199675
Stacksize Plus (DLC compatible) :: 1396310739
Emberlight :: 1369802940
Emberlight Lament :: 1401451646
AdE: LevelUP 300 | Balanced :: 2019117464
Roleplay :: 1751468797
COOP Boss HP :: 1673617274

Note: Dungeons you have listed are Good FUN but NOT in an Persistent Server…in my opinion. They are 1 or 2 time Amusement Park Rides…now stuck in your Modlist. Remove them and you will likely have to wipe. They also give loot that you may not want in your server. Players WILL exploit it! These are and Admin nightmare. Warned.

(Must Have. Safe) Pippi - 880454836
(Nifty but not Needed and does too much) DungeonMasters Tools - 1699858371
(Nice but does WAAAAAY too much) ###The Age of Calamitous - 1113901982
(Dungeon. Careful) VallenHeim - 1959075725
Why make things easier? Base_Mat_Worker - 1942356065
(Dungeon. Careful) Forsaken_Tomb_Re-Imagined - 1381246334
(Dungeon. Careful) The_Generals_Tomb - 1435629448
(Dungeon. Careful) Vault of the Forgotten Kings - 1954859505
Does too much Endgame Extended Weapon Arsenal - 1734383367
Why make things easier? Frost and Volcanic Placeable - 1938214103
Not needed with new AI ThrallSideKick 0.5.4 - 1802389425
Might be Okay. Analyze via Comments Shadows of Skelos - Extended - 1705201022
Very Nice. Load up higher Dudes Delightful Decorations - 1934607107
Lots of Dupes in Game. Nice though. Immerse RP : Buildings & Placebles Decorations - 1394768794
Love this collection. Load up Higher Savage Steel - 1367404881
Love this collection. Load up Higher Savage Steel Vol 2 - 1598693222
Nice but Majik Cludge Fix Pythagoras Support Beams - 1382183303
Must Have. Your Load Order is Wrong LBPR - Additional Improvements Add-On - 1444947329
Must Have. Your Load Order is Wrong LBPR: Fish : 1666355337
Nice but Compatibility Builder’s Workbench Reborn - 1959174056
Must Have. Your Load Order is Wrong Less Building Placement Restrictions - 1369743238
Must Have. Pickup+ - 864199675
Must Have. Emberlight - 1369802940
Nice. Immersive Armor - 1966733568
Nice but Players do some Really Game Breaking Things with it IQOL - 1657730588
Never Used It ExtendedCartography - 1641464108
Never Used It VeloX-Tattoos - 1546922129
NoxUIChanges is more stable and better in my opinion Hosavs Custom UI Mod - 1797359985

Thank you for the feedback. And dont worry. I dont take any criticism badly so dont worry about a flame war from me and if someone starts to get “pissy” about peoples opinions, I will request the thread be locked and I will take it to PMs. :slight_smile:

You also listed a few Mods I have never seen and may use.

Sounds like your server is very close to mine. I will make these changes and see how it plays. I agree that AoC is nice but yea, it changes alot.

The load order for LMBR was based on a post I found from someone about those mods load. Lets say that I only use the following mods. Based on your experience what would be the best load order? I am going to list them in the order in which I “think” they should go.

Pippi - 880454836
NoxUIChanges - 1383365330
DungeonMasters Tools - 1699858371
Dudes Delightful Decorations - 1934607107
Savage Steel - 1367404881
Savage Steel Vol 2 - 1598693222
Shadows of Skelos - Extended - 1705201022
Immerse RP : Buildings & Placebles Decorations - 1394768794
Pythagoras Support Beams - 1382183303
LBPR - Additional Improvements Add-On - 1444947329
LBPR: Fish : 1666355337
Less Building Placement Restrictions - 1369743238
Pickup+ - 864199675
Stacksize Plus (DLC compatible) - 1396310739
Emberlight - 1369802940
Emberlight Lament - 1401451646
Immersive Armor - 1966733568
ExtendedCartography - 1641464108
VeloX-Tattoos - 1546922129
AdE: LevelUP 300 | Balanced - 2019117464
Roleplay - 1751468797
COOP Boss HP - 1673617274

So when you say Majik Cludge Fix I assume this is not a Mod? Since I cant find it. :slight_smile:

Also why reduce boss HPs?

I have it written on LBPR’s workshop page. People get it wrong more often than they get it right. Emberlight is in the wrong spot, don’t know if Roleplay has placeables or other mods. But here it is.

  • Pippi
  • Any mod that modifies or creates new buildings, placeables, pets, or thralls.
  • Pythagoras mods
  • LBPR - Additional Improvements Add-On
  • LBPR - Fish and Shell Trap Bug Fix
  • Builder’s Workbench Reborn
  • LBPR
  • Pickup + or Unlock Plus with Pickup
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Hi! Eating a salad so a great time to keep up with the forums! hahaha

Majik Cludge Fix refers to players can Cheat Using those support beams since they grant infinity support as long as what they are attached to is ABOVE 0. You can connect the dots yourself. :wink:

EDIT:
@Multigun Roleplay I had to drop really low as I had strange things happen…they stopped when really low. LPBR I have incorrect…will fix and restart the server. I thought i had seen the LPBR expansions having to Add To LPBR but this was back when you had a lot of combinations then simplified to your current stuff. Great mods!

As to Emberlight & Emberlight Lament. Had to place them lower to correct a few strange things. Corrected it after fixing the Roleplay mod. From what I found is that Emberlight needed to be just above any Level Type mods which is pretty low.

I would also move NoxUI above LPBR but it runs perfectly solo and can load anywhere.
The rest of your load order looks really good!

@Multigun

It was your post that I found. Thank you.

Ok, based on above… This is the mod list and load order:

Pippi - 880454836
NoxUIChanges - 1383365330
DungeonMasters Tools - 1699858371
Dudes Delightful Decorations - 1934607107
Savage Steel - 1367404881
Savage Steel Vol 2 - 1598693222
Shadows of Skelos - Extended - 1705201022
Immerse RP : Buildings & Placebles Decorations - 1394768794
Emberlight - 1369802940
Emberlight Lament - 1401451646
LBPR - Additional Improvements Add-On - 1444947329
LBPR: Fish : 1666355337
Less Building Placement Restrictions - 1369743238
Pickup+ - 864199675
Stacksize Plus (DLC compatible) - 1396310739
Immersive Armor - 1966733568
ExtendedCartography - 1641464108
VeloX-Tattoos - 1546922129
AdE: LevelUP 300 | Balanced - 2019117464
Roleplay - 1751468797
COOP Boss HP - 1673617274

Thoughts?

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See post above. Looks good in my opinion. :wink: :kiss:

Could you list the mods you use in the order they are on the server please?

Please see above or here:
https://forums.funcom.com/t/lament-and-desire-heavy-rp-erp-pvp-survival-18/120107/4

Anything more than 12 mods invites nothing but mod-update hell. No server needs more than that many but unfortunately some admins go a bit add-happy with the result that when major updates happen it all goes to sh*t. Players won’t be able to get on, they’ll get frustrated, and they’ll leave. And for what? Some of the extra mods are just fluff at best