Suggestion: Automate Sorcerer use for Sacrificial Stone blood and soul collection

darthphysicist · 2023-02-04T20:52:57.980Z

I can see jimbo’s point. He is looking at it from an overall system and the intent behind it. There is a time for tedium in certain circumstances. I tend to agree with you on this point though that it could be done your way without breaking the intent of the system.

Jimbo · 2023-02-04T20:53:53.251Z

ConanFan:

You are missing the entire point.
Gathering sorceres is a time investiment.

It’s a one time bonk and done. After that you’ve got your time saving items available instantly, saving even further time.

You don’t seem to understand my point and instead are going on the defensive yourself.

Sacrifices are a transferrence of time. If you’d read my previous post you’d know that the usages of the blood save you immense amounts of time once you have them. You instead spend that time now collecting the blood.

Would it be any less tedious to make the run of shame to go get your body on death? Would you save more time by running across the map instead of teleporting?

Sorcery allows you to use time itself as a resource. You can bank it now for convenience later. If they just removed that entirely and make it purely convenience, sorcery would cease being an option and instead become a necessity.

Taemien · 2023-02-04T20:54:56.952Z

ConanFan:

I still think that the possibility of automating boring and countless activities is an improvement. Maybe you wish to set harvest to 0.3 also and we can all grind stones all day?

I never brought up stone and I will not entertain the discussion of gathering rates for any other resource.

The topic is on obtaining vials of sacrificial blood. The point is, sorcery is sorcery. Its its own thing. You are required to draw the blood of your victim to perform profane rites. This is required of the user and not some random thrall because you are drawing the power you intend to use for it.

The master draws the power, the underlings get the scraps if anything at all. Not the other way around.

Jimbo · 2023-02-04T20:57:27.618Z

ConanFan:

What the heck does a fixed 30s animation has to do with time investiment.

30 seconds is in fact a measurement of time. I wonder what time has to do with time

Xevyr · 2023-02-04T21:02:05.001Z

ConanFan:

I think the best way to give the sorceres thralls a nice and usefull role is to make them take care the sacrificial ritual aspect, which is very boring to do often.

Here you go Some reading material of how this can go

Sacrificial Stone Semi-Automation Feedback

The animation when using the Sacrificial Stone is cool. It really is. The first 10 times you use it. After the 50th time it’s annoying and now over 2000 slit throughs in it’s tedious as all hell. I propose putting the sorcerer thralls to work. Make it so they can do the blood sacrifice ritual for you. Even if it takes them a little bit longer (like idk 10%) to do it on their own. That or make a way to do a mass sacrifice or hell even do both. To be clear I am in no way suggesting we remo…

Jimbo · 2023-02-04T21:03:42.927Z

I remember that thread. Had the exact same opinion on that one too

Sacrificial Stone Semi-Automation

Sacrifices carry a ceremonious weight behind them. If you’re not patient enough for that process, maybe sorcery isn’t for you. It’s designed intentionally to be slow

Jimbo · 2023-02-04T21:06:20.396Z

ConanFan:

For you to say I play at 10x rates just goes to show the poor judgment of characther that you are. But you are certainly willing to push your opinion on everybody, don’t you? Even when you clearly don’t understand what’s being discussed.

ConanFan:

Maybe you wish to set harvest to 0.3 also and we can all grind stones all day?

If I’m a poor judge of character for my hyperbolic assumption, what does that make you?

darthphysicist · 2023-02-04T21:07:24.522Z

That thread didn’t have my opinion in it, aka it was a waste of time

2cents · 2023-02-04T21:12:18.516Z

Maybe an option to skip the cinematic but take the same anount of time, or as suggested do sacrifice and blood in jar automatic without you having to be there.

The sould collectuon and blood collection have vastly differents time sinks

Taemien · 2023-02-04T21:18:40.111Z

One thing I find interesting about these threads and I believe its the second or third if not more about it, is that its always about the blood and not the soul essence. We need as much soul essence as blood in many cases.

So that tells me the animation, the time, and whatnot is NOT the issue people have. But the one I brought up earlier. Right now knocking out a NPC, chaining them to the altar, slitting their throat or taking their soul, and then absorbing the corruption is NOT the problem.

Its doing all that and then having to open the altar, and craft the blood in there into a vial. Soul essence has no such post combine. You do the ritual, and it takes a flask and fills it with the soul. No one complains about that.

Only the blood. And the weird thing about the blood is it allows you to select it with sacrifice as a subcombine like most tiered recipes. But there is only a single crafting slot so it fails the combine if you try to skip.

Lets remove that last step and merge it with the ritual. So that it works like this:

You drag a thrall to the altar.
Chain them to it.
Cut their throat in a profane manner.
Blood fills the bowl.
You do a little ritualistic motion.
Get corrupted.
Get your blood.

Basically cutting out, the open the altar and craft the blood portion after getting corrupted. Only change needed is remove the blood to vial recipe, add glass flask to blood ritual like soul essence does.

That alone will make it half as tedious as it is. You still have to do the deed, you still have to take the time of the ritual. You just don’t have mechanical unimmersive busy work. Its a win win for everyone.

ConanFan · 2023-02-04T23:12:43.480Z

30 seconds is in fact a measurement of time. I wonder what time has to do with time

I did not realize you had such narrow understanding of a simple concept.
The thrall would take the same time as you to do the same task. So, the issue has nothing to do with time, but simply about forcing yet another boring cooldown on the player, which you seem to be very fond of.
Maybe you could request the loading screen took more time? So we could really appretiate what it means to play Conan? Perhaps 20 minutes would suffice to you?

Croms_Faithful · 2023-02-04T23:21:02.758Z

ConanFan:

which is very boring to do

ConanFan:

automating boring and countless activities is an improvement.

I would very strongly disagree with this. And although my rationale for disagreeing with this also diverges slightly, my perspective aligns with @Jimbo. I do not want to see this become an automated process.

Jimbo:

ConanFan:

solve the need to perform that slow ritual all the time.

I think herein lies your issue. It’s not a problem that needs solving.

As Jimbo has said, this is not a problem. Furthermore, I completely acknowledge and agree with the lore side of the argument which he has demonstrated. Rituals are calculated, methodical and require precision and preparation to confer power to the person performing the ritual.

ConanFan:

You are telling me one have to be locked in an animation countless times

And this is my own personal perspective. For quite literally years now, I have been pleading with Funcom to to add more brutality, gore and overall ‘evil’ to Conan Exiles. At last I am not simply capturing NPCs and forcing them into sertitude. Now I can finally ritualistically slash their throats, steal their souls and bury them alive. And I personally, do not wish to lose the ability to do that. It is for these reasons (among others) that I absolutely LOVE the sorcery update, and I do not wish to lose my ability to perform these mechanics. Am I a tyrannical monster? Yep, probably. But these are some of my favourite parts of the game, and I for one am loving it.

Taemien · 2023-02-04T23:22:50.963Z

I would say that more importantly, we do not wish pretenders (those who cannot stomach the actions or otherwise be bothered to take part in them) to be able to use the same powers and abilities.

Jimbo · 2023-02-04T23:34:37.843Z

ConanFan:

I did not realize you had such narrow understanding of a simple concept.

And I didn’t realize your ability to comprehend differing opinions was so narrow either.

ConanFan:

The thrall would take the same time as you to do the same task. So, the issue has nothing to do with time, but simply about forcing yet another boring cooldown on the player

Why stop there then? Why not have a thrall go gather all our resources for us? Why not have a thrall build our base for us? Maybe you’d like a thrall to feed and dress you every morning and wipe when you’re done.

You’re the protagonist, your actions lead to your accomplishments. If that’s not how you see it, this game isn’t for you.

ConanFan:

which you seem to be very fond of.
Maybe you could request the loading screen took more time? So we could really appretiate what it means to play Conan? Perhaps 20 minutes would suffice to you?

You’re still a poor judge of character, again assuming things.

2cents · 2023-02-05T00:21:00.607Z

Jimbo:

If that’s not how you see it, this game isn’t for you.

Um no

Jimbo · 2023-02-05T00:33:32.421Z

2cents:

Um no

Would you care to elaborate on that?

2cents · 2023-02-05T00:42:54.219Z

Its not for you to decide who this game is for.
People enjoy this game for a variety of reasons

Flat out saying i dont agree with you the doors over there is bad form.

Ok?

Jimbo · 2023-02-05T01:04:59.490Z

2cents:

Its not for you to decide who this game is for.

Correct, it’s up to the individual person to determine if the game is for them or not. Sometimes they need to be reminded that not every game is.

2cents:

Flat out saying i dont agree with you the doors over there is bad form.

That’s a dangerous precipice to defend.

If I wanted laser guns and I made a thread arguing with anyone and everyone who disagreed with me, does that make my opinion valid? Should my opinion be seriously considered no matter how outlandish and ill-fitting it is? When do we draw the line?

When I tell people the game isn’t for them, it’s not to flat out reject their opinon; it’s to say it doesn’t fit for this game, and they could and should seek a different game that may be better suited for what they’re after.

Tephra · 2023-02-05T01:16:57.547Z

For lore reasons and for balance reasons, the animation and time investment should stay.

In fact, the soul extracting ritual finishes too quickly and they need to address that to be more consistent with blood. More effects would be good too, the body merely mummifying isn’t as impressive as I had expected for such an eldritch act.

Anglinex · 2023-02-05T04:15:07.400Z

I have been summoned from the abyss. What happened?