# T4 surge thralls Spawn rate **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** feedback\ **Created:** [October 16, 2020, 10:34pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/t4-surge-thralls-spawn-rate/143594 "2020-10-16T22:34:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 20
**Author:** ![Narelle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/narelle/32/45919_2.png) [@Narelle](https://forums.funcom.com/u/Narelle)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2020, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/t4-surge-thralls-spawn-rate/143594/20 "2020-10-26T19:09:17Z")
> [@Rhoklaw](#): > > As of right now, only T1 crafters drop from wild surges and I haven’t seen any notification of that changing. > [@Developer Stream Recap: October 23rd, 2020](https://forums.funcom.com/t/developer-stream-recap-october-23rd-2020/144696/1): > > M: [Surge Changes (28:18):](https://youtu.be/ZHBnac_tUrk?t=1698) > > The overall balance changes to Tier 1-3 Thralls will make it more beneficial to have lower tier Thralls than before, which will make it more helpful to places like Siptah where acquiring Thralls is more difficult. In addition to that, Tier 3 thralls can now appear in Wild Surges. > > They also bumped up the chances of seeing a Tier 4 thrall in the Tier 4 surges. For the lower tier summoned surges, they are still the best way to acquire Thralls as they will still have the greatest quantity of Thralls when compared to a Wild Surge. They also have a better chance of seeing Tier 2 and Tier 3 thralls then before. here you go 🙂 > [@Update 2.1 Wild surges contain T2 and T3 crafters](https://forums.funcom.com/t/update-2-1-wild-surges-contain-t2-and-t3-crafters/144293/15): > > Hey everybody, quick update. We have added the following line to the patchnote changes. Please be aware of the disclaimer. This is still a work in progress change that will come fully realised with an upcoming Testlive patch, so these values might not exactly be the ones present in this build. They will also be present in the new patchnotes. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.funcom.com/t/t4-surge-thralls-spawn-rate/143594)._