# Thrall stats ... how do they work **URL:** \ **Category:** Players Helping Players\ **Tags:** pc\ **Created:** [August 27, 2021, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/thrall-stats-how-do-they-work/176882 "2021-08-27T21:53:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![JohnnyWylder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@JohnnyWylder](https://forums.funcom.com/u/JohnnyWylder)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/thrall-stats-how-do-they-work/176882/1 "2021-08-27T21:53:13Z")
Ok, I’m confused … Conchaka of Hyrkania (T4 Archer from Black Hand) with 9 (+2) Stregth gets 9% Melee Attack Bonus. Cimmerian Berserker (T4 Fighter from Forgotten Tribe) with 25 (+10) Strength gets +13% Melee Attack Bonus. So you’re telling me that between 11 and 35 there is just a \*\*\*\*\*\* 4% difference ? Then again, Another Cimmerian Berserker with 26 (+13) Strength gets 15% Melee Attack Bonus. So we have: 11 → 9% 35 → 13% 39 → 15% Is there any logic behind these numbers ? Or the game has just got crazy ? Or am I the dumb here ? ---
**Author:** ![Tuffman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b782af/32.png) [@Tuffman](https://forums.funcom.com/u/Tuffman)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/thrall-stats-how-do-they-work/176882/2 "2021-08-27T21:58:39Z")
I’m fairly certain Firespark, and probably Wak as well, have some videos explaining diminishing return on that particular stat. I personally advocate if you aren’t pumping Vitality you are doing it wrong. I can tell you your Conchaka with 100 str still wont do the same damage as your Berserker at baseline. The damage modifiers are far more important. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyWylder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@JohnnyWylder](https://forums.funcom.com/u/JohnnyWylder)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/thrall-stats-how-do-they-work/176882/3 "2021-08-27T22:29:14Z")
What are these damage modifiers ? Where can I see them ? ---
**Author:** ![Tuffman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b782af/32.png) [@Tuffman](https://forums.funcom.com/u/Tuffman)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 10:35pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/thrall-stats-how-do-they-work/176882/4 "2021-08-27T22:35:42Z")
Video’s from the above folks lay it out, its quicker to search for that specific thrall on the wiki though. Conchaka is at 1.12 and the Berserker 2.24. So baseline, that berserker does twice the damage. Or if you’re more savy than I, my understanding is they can be seen in the DevKit as well. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyWylder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@JohnnyWylder](https://forums.funcom.com/u/JohnnyWylder)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 10:38pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/thrall-stats-how-do-they-work/176882/5 "2021-08-27T22:38:39Z")
I see, thank you. So … stats are quite crap except for Vit ? ---
**Author:** ![Tuffman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b782af/32.png) [@Tuffman](https://forums.funcom.com/u/Tuffman)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 10:41pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/thrall-stats-how-do-they-work/176882/6 "2021-08-27T22:41:50Z")
In my opinion, yes. I’m sure someone would disagree, but there is no diminished return on vitality. Couple that with the ability to heavily armor thralls, and it seems logical. Thralls gain a set amount of HP per point in vitality. ---
**Author:** ![DanQuixote](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/danquixote/32/69196_2.png) [@DanQuixote](https://forums.funcom.com/u/DanQuixote)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2021, 3:18am UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/thrall-stats-how-do-they-work/176882/7 "2021-08-28T03:18:22Z")
> [@JohnnyWylder](#): > > What are these damage modifiers ? Where can I see them ? If you are in single player (or are admin for a server) - you can set yourself to admin, select the follower you want the info on to follow you (you don’t have to move anywhere, just need them set to follow). Then tap tilde twice (the key above tab and below escape) to open the command window (you can use the command line, but then you can’t read the results…). Then type the following (no spaces except the centre): GetFollowerStat DamageModifierMelee or GetFollowerStat DamageModifierRanged Note also - if the follower is being fed food from their diet list, the +10% (or +25%) damage bonus will be included in this figure (so 1.5 will become 1.6 for example). ---
**Author:** ![JJDancer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/jjdancer/32/85091_2.png) [@JJDancer](https://forums.funcom.com/u/JJDancer)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2021, 4:58am UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/thrall-stats-how-do-they-work/176882/8 "2021-08-28T04:58:32Z")
> [@Tuffman](#): > > I can tell you your Conchaka with 100 str still wont do the same damage as your Berserker at baseline. The damage modifiers are far more important. Exactly correct. > [@Tuffman](#): > > In my opinion, yes. I’m sure someone would disagree, but there is no diminished return on vitality. But when your thrall’s health is 8k+ already, you really do not need much more health and even at a diminishing return, strength would be better IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Tuffman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b782af/32.png) [@Tuffman](https://forums.funcom.com/u/Tuffman)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2021, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/thrall-stats-how-do-they-work/176882/9 "2021-08-28T18:31:24Z")
> [@JJDancer](#): > > But when your thrall’s health is 8k+ already, you really do not need much more health and even at a diminishing return, strength would be better IMO. Perhaps, but with no terribly effective way to heal your thrall after taking substantial damage, I personally prefer to have as big a buffer as possible to continue running through bosses and the like. A decent thrall is going to make short work of typical enemies and boss battles are wars of attrition in general. I’m not saying strength doesn’t help, or isn’t valuable. Its just not something I will actively try to pursue. Typically I won’t bother levelling a thrall that doesn’t have 70%+ and 60% plus in vitality and strength growth respectively. ---
**Author:** ![JJDancer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/jjdancer/32/85091_2.png) [@JJDancer](https://forums.funcom.com/u/JJDancer)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2021, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/thrall-stats-how-do-they-work/176882/10 "2021-08-28T19:03:23Z")
> [@Tuffman](#): > > Perhaps, but with no terribly effective way to heal your thrall after taking substantial damage, I personally prefer to have as big a buffer as possible to continue running through bosses and the like. Your follower can use infused wraps, give them three or four and it takes about 5 seconds to fully heal up. Plus the healing arrows stack. ![2021-08-28 14_44_53-Window](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/original/3X/d/b/dbdc461a2885bb6370ef3d29d51c77cf806cd4d8.jpeg) Amusing how wraps can heal a thrall faster than the old Lifeblood spear. Also, lot of times it is a trade off. I have tank thralls that can stand there all day taking minimal damage, but are slow on the kill. I will take a Berserker with 6k any day over them. Killing faster minimizes damage, and I do not get bored. ---
**Author:** ![Tuffman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b782af/32.png) [@Tuffman](https://forums.funcom.com/u/Tuffman)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2021, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/thrall-stats-how-do-they-work/176882/11 "2021-08-28T21:47:25Z")
I’ll have to give wraps a try again, thanks for the info ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyWylder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@JohnnyWylder](https://forums.funcom.com/u/JohnnyWylder)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2021, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/thrall-stats-how-do-they-work/176882/12 "2021-09-01T15:18:26Z")
Thanks guys, I’ve learned a lot. It just sucks that there are so many “invisible” factors (base modifiers) that are more important that visible ones (like stats). I’ve spent hours trying to get Galter of Bossonia and Conchaka of Hyrkania and now I can just throw them away … yeeeeeah ! 😭 ---
**Author:** ![DanQuixote](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/danquixote/32/69196_2.png) [@DanQuixote](https://forums.funcom.com/u/DanQuixote)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2021, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/thrall-stats-how-do-they-work/176882/13 "2021-09-01T15:33:48Z")
No need to throw them away - they’re a pair of decent archers. Sure, maybe they’re not quite as good as say Relic Hunters, but they’re still pretty decent - for starters they have one of the highest base Accuracy stats of any thrall, which helps close the gap between their DamageModifierRanged and that of those that are ‘better’. Sure, if you really feel the need to have the ‘absolute best’ thralls, then you’ll need to search for them (and get yourself involved in the endless arguments over which is actually ‘the best’ 😉 ) - but you can still complete endgame content with ‘lesser’ thralls. T4 exiles, Darfari, Black Hand - they can all be enough, they just might require a bit more protection from you in some fights because they’re maybe slower to get the kill or just have lower hp. But stick them in some endgame heavy armour and they’ll still survive most things without breaking a sweat. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, my favourite thralls in the Exiled Lands are t3 bearers - they hit like a wet noodle, but have lots of HP and in endgame armour can pretty much withstand a direct nuke. You don’t need the best, you’re the hero 😉 ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyWylder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@JohnnyWylder](https://forums.funcom.com/u/JohnnyWylder)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2021, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/thrall-stats-how-do-they-work/176882/14 "2021-09-01T16:03:17Z")
This is interesting: I have a T3 bearer and, I have to say, he has lots of HP … even tho he takes tons of damage from everything. But … is he better than a T4 bearer ? Doesn’t T4 should have even higher HPs ? ---
**Author:** ![DanQuixote](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/danquixote/32/69196_2.png) [@DanQuixote](https://forums.funcom.com/u/DanQuixote)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2021, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/thrall-stats-how-do-they-work/176882/15 "2021-09-01T16:09:21Z")
Weirdly, I find my t3s always seem to end up with more HP than my T4s (though both wind up with plenty. T4s hit slightly harder (though still weaker than dancers for damage output), but their main advantage over T3s is larger backpack space (it expands like chests do, in case you haven’t tried it). (Also - in case you’re unaware - removing their backpack does not change their carrying capacity, so you can switch them to a regular helmet if you wish - and wearing it yourself gives a +5 bonus to encumbrance stat - useful sometimes on peaceful harvesting runs.) ---
**Author:** ![BrutusWhitefang](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/brutuswhitefang/32/79893_2.png) [@BrutusWhitefang](https://forums.funcom.com/u/BrutusWhitefang)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2021, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/thrall-stats-how-do-they-work/176882/16 "2021-09-01T16:09:45Z")
T4 bearer get lesser hp per vit compare to T3 bearer. So far I trained 3 T3 bearer and kitted with Vit gear: highest 20k hp, lowest 14k hp. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyWylder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@JohnnyWylder](https://forums.funcom.com/u/JohnnyWylder)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2021, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/thrall-stats-how-do-they-work/176882/17 "2021-09-01T16:12:59Z")
That’s … disturbing D: I just feel like the devs have put casual numbers and formulas in a giant cooking pot … the actual system doesn’t seem to make any sense at all D: ---
**Author:** ![Tuffman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b782af/32.png) [@Tuffman](https://forums.funcom.com/u/Tuffman)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2021, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/thrall-stats-how-do-they-work/176882/18 "2021-09-01T16:13:02Z")
I dunno why the tiering is still wonky and I do believe my recent beater acquisitions are consistent with this. I think my T4 surge bearer had not quite half of the T3 I pulled out of Sepermeru. but before you go crazy leveling him, bearers have something around a 0.6 melee modifier, so basically they do around 1/4 the damage of a good T4 fighter. Don isn’t exaggerating when he says they hit like a wet noodle. ---
**Author:** ![bobcarn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/bobcarn/32/51973_2.png) [@bobcarn](https://forums.funcom.com/u/bobcarn)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2021, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/thrall-stats-how-do-they-work/176882/19 "2021-09-01T17:16:24Z")
I wouldn’t say the other stats are crap, just that most feel you shouldn’t sacrifice vitality in favor of them. If you have two berserkers with the same vitality and one is significantly stronger than the other, he’ll do more damage and defeat bosses faster, ultimately taking less damage. An archer on a raised platform would benefit a lot from Accuracy. ---
**Author:** ![Barnes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/barnes/32/100355_2.png) [@Barnes](https://forums.funcom.com/u/Barnes)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2021, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/thrall-stats-how-do-they-work/176882/20 "2021-09-01T18:08:57Z")
I don’t think anyone mentioned this but you get an extra row of storage slots, so 25 total slots with a named bearer. Named Sherpas get about 3500 fewer hit points, take longer to train and have a damage modifier that is only slightly higher than T3. It looks like the trade-off is you spend about 700 HP per inventory slot. Still, I do love me my Eina, and of course I _always_ have a Featherstep in my inner circle. [Next page](https://forums.funcom.com/t/thrall-stats-how-do-they-work/176882.md?page=2)