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There are many moving parts which lead to PvP being the way it is now.

A perfect storm so to speak
Half of the shenanigans this one tries out, honestly, shouldn’t work. Not that they are 'sploits. Just, they don’t seem, in this one’s arrogant and self important opinion, conducive to good wars.

If bases weren’t basically paper-mache waiting for someone to prep a bunch of ieds to breach it, while the troops on guard excavate their noses and marvel at their finds, things might be different.

War boils down to inherent(read: indestructible) map structure, boom boom powder, bubbles, and Jhebbal Sag (Sometimes Yog if one is lazy).

Avatars that step on a land mine are still oneshotted, yes?
This one has bothered to see if a mine field can still dispell mecha-mitra recently.

Many features aren’t, by admission, designed with PvP in mind. This leaves those who make war to adapt (often with great belly aching along the way). We may not like the current state of affairs, but it’s peak performance given the environment.
If we change the environment, we must look at what will be rewarded by that change and then assess what becomes peak performance. Then get ready for peak performance to become what we see constantly.

Offline protection is one of those factors.
On a personal level, if this route were taken, this one would suggest any offline protection not come into effect while under a god bubble. Offline protection starts 10-15 minutes after the bubble drops. Also, we would require a flagging mechanism so a clan couldn’t just all jump offline as soon as a raid starts.

Server wipes are a solution…
But honestly, this one finds the current build restrictions enough for curbing non script warrior alpha clans.
So someone has been dominant for literally years…
Wiping them won’t remove what let them get to the top so long as victory conditions don’t change.
This game allowing one to stand at the top until knocked down counts as a pluss. Again, in this one’s hyper inflated ego estimation.
What may want to change is the method by which one gets to the top.

This one has a whole grip of bad and silly ideas for tinker points on PvP… but that gets way off topic.

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Maybe you are in denial? :rofl:, you are definitely deluded if you think that you are a pvp’er and then go offlining players to avoid any real pvp action.

As for me, well i am amazed, amazed that you can call someone ‘stupid, idiot, dumb and snowflake’ i only used the first word that you used and got a temporary ban from this forum.

I know a few had difficulty reading the OPs text block so i will point out that the OP like many others did not ‘elect’ to not show up during pvp hours, they said that they was at work.

Offline raids are a big problem. Clans come along, maybe even try to convince players that they are friendly then when your back is turned they offline, put your stuff on body vaults and disappear from the server. If you are online they don’t attack. So logging in every day to deter these anti PvP vermin who can choose any day of the year for their ‘raid’ can be difficult.

Before offline raid protection is considered, what i would suggest is making bases and defence thralls stronger so that they could hold off a raid for at least a day. Then day two players would be able to take action to either retaliate or defend. That would be PvP

There is a reason for this, it doesn’t exist. The very best base protection is to get all your best stuff on to body vaults to deny players like Realist any reward from their PvB ‘raid’

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This is the same ol’ asinine argument we have heard over the years from pve players: “it is unfair if someone attacks me if I am not online.”

There is a ten person clan limit on official, use it so someone will be online to defend if you need to take Billy or Sally to their baby yoga class. There are also private servers that are not restricted to rules of officials- go find one that works for you.

It is more likely the raiders are simply raiding after they have scouted and have time and you are offline which is YOUR issue, not theirs. There is too much of an entitlement attitude of ‘only play when I want to’ on official servers and this is silly when no one is forced to play on an official pvp server.

There are thousands of private servers and some that will cater to the needs of ‘please only attack when I feel like it’ so I suggest people stop whining and go find one and enjoy the game.

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So you totally twist what I said into the opposite of what was said? :astonished:

I specifically stated that I do not ‘look’ for players that are offline but I WILL raid whatever structure I want when I want and if the person is not online, well that is THEIR issue. If I think a thrall is done on a wheel and I want in, I am going in. If the person is not around to defend that, well again, their issue.

Yes, calling someone deluded is much better. :rofl:

You twist a lot. For the record, I said that a statement sounded snowflake like and the words you pointed out are referring to actions (such as the stupidity of offline raiding) and a category of players and are not directed at individuals in a personal attack such as the comments flung at me about not having a life and being deluded. :wink:

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No, it’s not. We PVE(-C) players generally don’t butt into the discussions about PVP raiding. Pretty much the only times you’ll see a PVE(-C) player in a PVP discussion is when someone starts yelling that something needs to be nerfed. So kindly leave us out of it and find a different scapegoat.

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Who are you? Did I reply to something you said or are you chiming in on something I said to someone else?

Or at least explain what the heck you are referring to and the actual point of your post as I am lost as it appears this discussion is centered around someone on a pvp server complaining about being raided because he was not on during raid time?

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A PVE player. You know, one of those people you accused of “asinine arguments” about PVP.

I’m chiming in on something you said about a group of people that includes me.

Are you one of those people who need a red circle and an arrow?

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You stated that you were a PVE-C player (the part I actually quoted) and as such, there are no raids on Official PVE-C servers correct? Just open world pvp and only during limited times?

Well, unless you are one of those PVE /PVE-C players attempting to turn official PVP servers into PVE or PVE-C servers and if so ya, there are private servers that will cater to your needs.

I am not the one stating I am a PVE-C player that doesn’t butt in on PVP raiding while jumping in on a thread regarding PVP raiding. :wink:

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That’s correct, I don’t. In fact, I said as much.

So tell me, if we PVE(-C) players don’t have a dog in this fight, why do you say you were hearing asinine arguments, from us, about PVP raiding, over the years?

No, you’re the one who talked about PVE players and now keeps pretending that he doesn’t understand what I’m talking about rather than admitting a mistake and moving on. Talk about asinine arguments :wink:

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:rofl::rofl: Good lad, I see that you have edited your previous posts to avoid unnessarily upsetting anyone :grin:. The word ‘deluded’ is generally an acceptable observation that can be used in a discussion.

But this is the same as what i thought you said before, you don’t go looking for players to offline so that you can avoid any real PvP yes :grin:

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Are you taking my comment personally? Does it actually even apply to you?

My point is, there are PVE and PVE-C players (NOT EVERYONE) that will continually argue for official pvp servers to be changed for them when PVE-C servers and private servers that meet their needs already exit. If you are one of these players running to the forum to complain about making a character on a PVP server and it being raided during raid time because you and/or no one in your clan logged in during that short raid window to defend, then yes, my comments do include you.

You seem a bit (actually a lot) confused on my point. See above and hopefully that clears it up but again, really confused on someone stating they are a PVE-C player that does not butt in on PVP raiding discussions that is doing just that… :thinking:

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If someone appears to not be following the actual conversation or is twisting my comments out of context, I will sometimes edit to try to get the point across.

My pointing out you calling me deluded is the hypocrisy of you twisting what I said (words describing actions and generic groups of players) and you making negative statements directed at me personally.

??? Correct on part? I do not go looking for players to offline and I do not avoid ANY pvp as I prefer pvp. If I happen to scout something and plan on raiding it that night and that clan does not log in, that is their issue, not mine. If they are pvp players like myself, pvp will definitely happen as a result of that raid so I am not worried that I might have missed a little pvp action that night, it will still happen.

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I understood your argument. What you failed to grap is that I’m disputing it.

I’ve spent an ungodly amount of time on these forums over the last 3.5 years since I joined. I’ve never seen a single PVP discussion where a PVE or PVE-C player butted in to ask to change PVP servers to suit their needs.

Sure, it’s perfectly possible that there was a handful of times that happened over the years. That’s still a far cry from PVE players continually arguing that the PVP servers should be changed.

It’s much more likely that you’re implying that every PVP player who disagrees with your idea of what PVP server should be like is, in fact, a PVE player. You know, the good ol’ “No True Scotsman” BS :wink:

Yeah, I can see how you’re “really confused” by pretending you don’t understand what I wrote. You know, like when I said that we generally don’t butt into the discussions about PVP raiding and that pretty much the only times you’ll see us is when your lot starts yelling about nerfs. I can totally see where the “confusion” is coming from :crazy_face:

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I can see that this will likely just go in circles and not be productive at all so tell me why did you jump in on this thread Codemage? You state that you are a PVE-C player that does not jump into pvp raiding discussions and yet, you did just that which is a bit confusing.

Did you jump in to simply make the statement that not all PVE PVE-C players have an issue with how Official PVP servers currently handle raiding and to raise your hand and announce you are not one of the PVE PVE- C players I referred to that wants to see Official PVP servers restricted on raiding rather than join a private or PVP-C server that has more limitations?

Do you want official PVP servers changed so that someone offline cannot be raided Codemage or are you just raising your hand to point out the obvious that not every PVE PVE-C player has an issue with how Official PVP servers currently operate?

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While this one is not necessarily in agreement with all points in the table, this one does stand by the Crux that

Is not a reasonable stance.

If one doesn’t show up at the time and place of a game, one loses by forfeit.
Those who cannot be bothered to attend to battle have forfeited their stake in it’s outcome.
Yes, “it’s just a game”.
So those who want it more can win and those who lose can take comfort that they have other things in their life they attend to.

There are numerous issues with the PvP in this game, some are 'sploits, others are features.
Restricting PvP opportunities to a game of mother-may I with one’s prey is, honestly, a bit absurd to this one.
This is a Hyborian Age game. Most of us are playing taint mongering Sorcerors, Priests of evil extraplanar entities, or murderous Slavers, if not all at once. Not exactly the pillars of consideration and fair play.

If one doesn’t want their pretty castle destroyed, and doesn’t want to actively protect it, they can either play in private, or in a mode where those Lego lodges are not fair game.
Plopping down some foundations and then telling everyone, not only can you not build there, but you can only evict me on my own terms is not productive.
Raid windows are a more than sufficient tool for giving everyone present reasonable opportunity.

That said, there should be a greater diversity of raid windows to choose from when one seeks a server. The tool is not being used to it’s fullest. It appears that almost all servers in a particular zone are all raid ok at the same time. That is an issue as it disenfranchises those who work swings or graves.

As for the equally absurd “PvB” statement.
Very funny. This one chuckled.
This isn’t Hellish Quart or Bushido Blade or For Honor.
Fortifying is part of the game.
If your base is poorly fortified, that’s because you (the player) are not actually good at the game. You may be great at other aspects of it, but when it comes to the thing that seperates PvE-C from PvP, you are deficient.
Yes, the game needs more passive defense options alongst with several other issues addressed…
But pretending one’s base being a failure doesn’t reflect on their clan that built it being failures is disingenuous in the extreme.
It’s like complaining that one sucks at running, so baseball should only involve pitching, hitting and catching.

There are numerous places one can build in and put up a bubble and then not ever be in peril so long as the bubble stays up.
Lazy, cowardly, and ugly? Yes.
But that’s the game. Like it or not, those are the rules.

Now, as an option for private servers, 100% yes the tool of offline protection should be available to the admin.
But it should not be on public servers unless land claim is disabled at the very moment that the structure becomes invulnerable.

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You do realize that this is the point of all of my posts right? :wink:

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But i am following the conversation even though you are making it difficult by editing your previous posts. You previously said that the OP had chosen to not be online when in fact they had clearly stated that they were working. Are you following?

Seriously it is better to just clarify your points in a new post as editing previous posts other than to correct spelling mistakes or paragraphing can make you look untrustworthy.

Anyway this is not about me or you, its about players in general offline raiding.

I agree that it is generally acceptable to raid outbuildings or even nibble on a main base to signify a challenge in PvP. But the problem is like the OP stated a full offline base wipe is not good and you shouldn’t be proud to do it as it just avoids PvP and proves nothing before the offline raider runs off to hide in fear.

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Because there’s one thing that I see much more often than your imaginary PVE and PVE-C players who ask for PVP servers to be changed to suit them. You know what that is? It’s PVP players badmouthing PVE players and blaming the state of PVP on them.

Like I said, leave us out of it. If you can’t make your argument about PVP without blaming PVE players, then your argument wasn’t worth much to begin with.

No, it really, really isn’t. You just keep pretending it is.

Hell no. Anything that will drive a bunch of PVP players to PVE-C and PVE servers to harass people who play there is a bad idea in my book.

No, I’m pointing out that the vast majority of PVE and PVE-C players don’t have an issue with how official PVP servers currently operate. I’m saying that bringing PVE and PVE-C players into this was a non-sequitur, and that you can have your little circle-jerk about who’s a more badass player without talking smack about us.

If I have to simplify it further for you, here’s the gist: I’m saying you’re full of it.

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The difference between a player who plays PVP and one who plays PVE is the same difference as someone who prefers to wear a Green shirt as one who prefers to wear a Grey one. They’re both wearing shirts.

To think there’s some sort of fundamental difference is a sign of lesser thinking revolving around primitive tribalistic social behavior borderlining on animalistic reaction instead of human reasoning.

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