# Useless Archers thralls **URL:** \ **Category:** PC Discussion\ **Created:** [April 29, 2018, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/useless-archers-thralls/3759 "2018-04-29T11:25:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Taemien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/taemien/32/2688_2.png) [@Taemien](https://forums.funcom.com/u/Taemien)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 2:20am UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/useless-archers-thralls/3759/41 "2018-06-04T02:20:10Z")
The server I play on still has Archer thralls taking pot shots at peeps from 4 blocks up, even if those conditions aren’t met. Led to some interesting discussions since offline raiding isn’t permitted and whether or not thralls are ‘part’ of the base. ---
**Author:** ![Ming2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee59a6/32.png) [@Ming2000](https://forums.funcom.com/u/Ming2000)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 5:03am UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/useless-archers-thralls/3759/42 "2018-06-04T05:03:58Z")
Thanks roro my archer tower is three blocks but the top layer is held up by stone pillars I will change it tonight I will make it two blocks but totally solid 🙂thanks again ---
**Author:** ![roro4066](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/roro4066/32/3711_2.png) [@roro4066](https://forums.funcom.com/u/roro4066)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 10:35am UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/useless-archers-thralls/3759/43 "2018-06-04T10:35:20Z")
Let us know how it is going then… ---
**Author:** ![Masmassu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7feea3/32.png) [@Masmassu](https://forums.funcom.com/u/Masmassu)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/useless-archers-thralls/3759/44 "2018-06-04T11:07:33Z")
Ok so you can only have then that low, and that meen they are totaly unproteced and can by eas be farmed by everyone. So Archers is still useless then. To climb prof a building you need to have atleest 3 blooks walls. And then the AI have to implent that they ball back if tehy starts to tacke to mutch DMG/Close to die. ---
**Author:** ![krix\_ost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ac8455/32.png) [@krix\_ost](https://forums.funcom.com/u/krix_ost)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 12:21pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/useless-archers-thralls/3759/45 "2018-06-04T12:21:43Z")
Not useless…just strange to use. You cannot plan on leaving archers alone and accessible to only climbers. Guard each archer with a fighter. The fighter will move and engage and the archer will begin firing. It does work. Even on the tougher animals/NPCs. I am also going to make some screen shots tonight after work on a self made purge at the northern base. I post after done. ---
**Author:** ![roro4066](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/roro4066/32/3711_2.png) [@roro4066](https://forums.funcom.com/u/roro4066)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/useless-archers-thralls/3759/46 "2018-06-04T12:22:32Z")
You’re right in some way but look: ![440900_20180531225128_1](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/original/2X/4/48fb6ceb753aaf152badbb223fe166df2d10525d.jpg) Archers here are covered by fighters who will take care of the dps in case mamaoths or other very big ennemies attack them. Npcs and all standard mobs of the game will not be able to reach these archers, only mamoths and some others but since archers have now an insane amount og health 4 000 + (for the best t4 archers) good luck killing them while fighters are slicing through everything … (assuming they don’t get too much bugged with their inventory of course) It is only if they are placed on normal ground and if not covered enough by fighters, that you can get overwhelmed by a very thaugh purge then everyone will die (because too buggy figthers or not enough of good lvl ones). keep in mind that archers thralls won’t be doing the DPS to ennemies now, too weak…fighters will, they are just here for immersion and a litlle extra damage output. ---
**Author:** ![Masmassu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7feea3/32.png) [@Masmassu](https://forums.funcom.com/u/Masmassu)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/useless-archers-thralls/3759/47 "2018-06-04T12:46:13Z")
Yes they are usefull in purge and to keep npc´s away but for how long? Dont they just run in the forest and die? And you cant protect them proper other players will just farm them and then the wall is empty anyay when the purge finaly come. Its no turningback when they are out ther. ---
**Author:** ![roro4066](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/roro4066/32/3711_2.png) [@roro4066](https://forums.funcom.com/u/roro4066)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/useless-archers-thralls/3759/48 "2018-06-04T13:12:57Z")
PVP is an other story, i can definitely see your point here, but thralls have always been easy to deal with for other players, the bad AI makes them just only even easier to farm or simply defeat them. i’m more focused on the PVE aspect here. ---
**Author:** ![Masmassu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7feea3/32.png) [@Masmassu](https://forums.funcom.com/u/Masmassu)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 1:36pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/useless-archers-thralls/3759/49 "2018-06-04T13:36:47Z")
Yes and for them to work in pve they have to survive the pvp part of the game. ---
**Author:** ![roro4066](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/roro4066/32/3711_2.png) [@roro4066](https://forums.funcom.com/u/roro4066)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/useless-archers-thralls/3759/50 "2018-06-04T13:43:12Z")
so new testing with different thralls and new base settings: Note that i just spawned an easy boss here since i don’t want to be losing all my hardwork 😃 but still should be enough to get proper results 😃 ![440900_20180604145542_1](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/original/2X/d/d9d9c201c7eaa53b0153d1548b38b07f332e65e7.jpg) As you can see here only 3 fighters are aggro and one of them has “forgotten how to use her weapon” she will equip her weapon but later. for now only one archer is aggro and is shooting continuously all others are just staring and dreaming. ![440900_20180604145654_1](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/original/2X/d/dd5da5d22e6fe9ab7fe841d5b2621b3291cedc3b.jpg) same story here, but interesting to note that some archersr have come down (they will almost always to that if they have the possiblity to do it /stairs/ramps/ to look for a “better angle” or at least what the AI consider to be the better angle. Other fighters are now aggro but keep staring at the ennemy. this is sthing relatively “normal” since only a very limited amount of fighters can engage the same ennemy at the same time. This is just how the AI is coded currently, you 'll never see more than 4 fighters thralls attacking the same ennemy. ![440900_20180604145811_1](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/original/2X/3/379d5341e38fac03870e82603075b9ac8205c67b.jpg) now 2 archers are shooting although there should be at least 6 archers non stop firing since there are 16 archers spread out around the base (about one wall high, i’d say 1,4 wall high) Note that archers are not supposed to be affected by the same number limit about how many thralls are attacking the same ennemy at the same time, since i have already seen 6 archers shooting at the same target together while fighters were on the same task. ![440900_20180604145924_1](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/original/2X/d/d1eeb7acc12a491eb7adb0d5350cccac220c4bef.jpg) This one looks cool imo, so that’s the only reason why i posted it 😃 because we should not only be testing here but having fun too, right? Last note: this boss went down after about 5 min and none of my thralls were killed (only t3 fighters from the lost tribe and captains from the relic hunters, archers are from the volcano though but doesn’t matter that much actually…). This would have been a whole different story during a frozen purge of course… ---
**Author:** ![roro4066](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/roro4066/32/3711_2.png) [@roro4066](https://forums.funcom.com/u/roro4066)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/useless-archers-thralls/3759/51 "2018-06-04T13:44:15Z")
if you play on a PVP server of course ---
**Author:** ![KingOfPredators](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/kingofpredators/32/2420_2.png) [@KingOfPredators](https://forums.funcom.com/u/KingOfPredators)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/useless-archers-thralls/3759/52 "2018-06-04T13:49:53Z")
Last night when I had purge archers were shooting at smaller creatures but as soon as dragons started to spawn, they were shooting only at friend who came to help… Raiding a purged base is not a good idea. It maybe sounds nice in theory, but it will not work. ---
**Author:** ![roro4066](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/roro4066/32/3711_2.png) [@roro4066](https://forums.funcom.com/u/roro4066)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/useless-archers-thralls/3759/53 "2018-06-04T13:56:46Z")
Npcs and thralls are having HUGE issues at finding dragons hitboxes and big creatures in general, this is especially true about the undead dragon since he is the biggest, but from my experience archers seem to be the ones who are actually less buggy when facing such ennemies…still buggy enough though ---
**Author:** ![Vattende](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/vattende/32/6463_2.png) [@Vattende](https://forums.funcom.com/u/Vattende)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/useless-archers-thralls/3759/54 "2018-06-04T16:48:05Z")
True, had also some cimmerian fighters killed by dragons. They can defend properly, and mostly just stand starring at the beast. My cimmerians acted well with other npc, but great creatures such mammoths and dragons are indeed a big problem for them. ---
**Author:** ![roro4066](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/roro4066/32/3711_2.png) [@roro4066](https://forums.funcom.com/u/roro4066)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/useless-archers-thralls/3759/55 "2018-06-04T17:34:07Z")
Fine is subjective here… It will be fine for me when they will ALL do their job for EVERY single fight. But considering how you would place them would definitely make things work better, or i should more say not as bad it can be. ---
**Author:** ![krix\_ost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ac8455/32.png) [@krix\_ost](https://forums.funcom.com/u/krix_ost)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 2:17am UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/useless-archers-thralls/3759/56 "2018-06-05T02:17:27Z")
I think all of this testing is really for PvE. The AI is just barely smart enough for PvE. LOL!!! One thing I am really noticing is that the Archers ‘think’ they are melee then figure out they have a bow then act like a melee but shoot arrows. Terrible AI…but it is working. LOL!!! So since we are having A LOT of good fun (@roro4066 Awesome pics 😃 ) whilst testing all this…here are the pics from testing this eve. 😃 So this is a crazy performance test as well. At the various defensive posts there are 10 at each and then a pack of 20 coming down the river…so 60 in total all happening at the same time. 😮 😃 All the archers have the exceptional Hyrkanian bows with Flame Arrows attached (they do well enough). All the melee are using exceptional hardened swords, great swords, and long spears (pikes)…and no shields (have lots of trouble with shields…so they don’t get them LOL). Armours are all medium furs, medium leather, and light Vanir combinations to make them look different. Hope you all enjoy the pics. Small notes by each as well. Brighid Presents…The attack of North Town. The Undead Horde wanders from the frozen bridge with a mindless lust of more death. The town is a welcoming crafting town of excellent artisans trading fine goods to both the Nordheimers nearby and the Cimmerians to the west. Now a deadly threat is upon them. How shall they fair? ![Brighid_044](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/original/2X/8/80aa9c25b2c7267b1b67f500469f0dd7c9ae87a1.jpg) You can see here that the platforms have good access for the AI. Even the Undead go on the platforms to get position. This is the Road Post…only 3 Nords guarding this post. ![CE_NH_BattleA_001](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/original/2X/4/49e9d494aaa8d4983ea02c925141bbea7f4ff349.jpg) ![CE_NH_BattleA_002](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/original/2X/7/71f59907f02559021d3c2e0c5be2d93c14ed2778.jpg) Battle at the River. You can see that both platforms on each side of the river have been emptied and everyone is involved. The large center platform has 6 and the left inner has 4 (normal). There is another platform to the left of the center one which has 4 as well…they are having it out with another 20 undead. ![CE_NH_BattleA_006](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/original/2X/4/466ddad12ed66cb5248da53f6a08dc47f2e30951.jpg) ![CE_NH_BattleA_007](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/original/2X/e/e1de2de62802abc23fb0e9974bc4d610064f54bf.jpg) And a really cool pic near the end of the undead. ![CE_NH_BattleA_010](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/original/2X/9/979f3b49f5956ea82222aa3b86f8fc95537b42b8.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![roro4066](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/roro4066/32/3711_2.png) [@roro4066](https://forums.funcom.com/u/roro4066)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/useless-archers-thralls/3759/57 "2018-06-05T15:38:57Z")
thanks for sharing and nice outfit colors by the way, looks great! ---
**Author:** ![krix\_ost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ac8455/32.png) [@krix\_ost](https://forums.funcom.com/u/krix_ost)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 12:03am UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/useless-archers-thralls/3759/58 "2018-06-06T00:03:12Z")
Thanks! Happy you like it. I really like how the Dark Orange comes out in leather and the white makes really good Dire Wolf fur clothing. 😉 😃 ---
**Author:** ![roro4066](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/roro4066/32/3711_2.png) [@roro4066](https://forums.funcom.com/u/roro4066)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/useless-archers-thralls/3759/59 "2018-06-06T08:02:36Z")
??? for me there is just black and white, no dark orange… ---
**Author:** ![TwoJay](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/funcom/user_avatar/forums.funcom.com/twojay/32/1882_2.png) [@TwoJay](https://forums.funcom.com/u/TwoJay)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 9:30am UTC](https://forums.funcom.com/t/useless-archers-thralls/3759/60 "2018-06-06T09:30:29Z")
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