Hi Exiles! Happy grinding. A question for the developers: what type of griefing is bannable? I’m curious on what you guys think is technically ‘griefing’? For an example, if you’ve got a clan of 4, and one member is telling everyone to leave the clan, but is refusing to leave himself, the other 3 members technically don’t have to leave right? Thanks for any help 
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I am not a developer but it seems that the clan leader just needs to remove that player from the clan. Because all buildings and items stay with the clan or the person that is clan leader if he disbands the clan. So if all of you leave then he has all the buildings, items and thralls so it would be better to remove him.
If that player is being verbally abusive then kick him from clan then screenshot the chat window and make a report of harassment via zendesk and they will take action on him if they think it is harassment.
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Who started the clan? If the one that started the clan is the one you ask to leave the I am sorry, he is the one that must remain and the 3 of you can go and create another. I know it sounds unfair, but joining a clan it has this side damage. However, if before you leave the clan, can take anything you farmed is not wrong, after all you cannot take the thralls or the building 
. It does not count the word of 3 against 1 because the clan leader asked and you joined, it’s not his fault. So you can’t ask him to leave the clan, he is the clan leader.
If the case is not this, the clan leader is between the 3 you mention then the game already has a mechanism of kick. It is the clans leader right and it is not griefing.
If you play on pvp servers and he wants to stay inside the building no matter if you kicked him, when he decides to log in his avatar will spawn before he can react. That means that your thralls will see a member out of clan inside the base and they will kill him before he even react. So he will spawn in desert, not in the base, or in a bedroll, but most of chances to spawn in desert. Because even his bed and bedroll belongs to the clan, not to the player anymore. So desert is certain.
The best solution is the conversation always, but this member in pvp servers can do a lot of damage to you now, he knows all your secrets and your playstyle.
Choosing clan mates is difficult, so next time choose wisely
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Aren’t building pieces returnable now? I thought I saw that in some patch notes.
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Ruh roh!
Interclan politics just got a whole lot more interesting. By the way I don’t think there is any rules on what you do to your own clan/clanmates.
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That’s just clan politics/drama. If that player is the clan leader, they don’t even have to ask, they can just kick everyone else out. If they’re not the leader, then why the heck are they asking others to leave the clan?
However, none of that is griefing per se.
Not specifically. There are things that you shouldn’t do to your clanmates because the rules say you shouldn’t do them to anyone, e.g. hate speech.
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Omg, I totally forgot this one 
. Can you imagine be a clan leader and one day log in and your building is gone 🤦🏼. Omg, how many trollers will use this option 
. I can imagine the cries .
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There is SO much context required to answer this question correctly.
Who is clan leader, why is the 1 requesting the 3 to leave, why are the 3 requesting the 1 to leave instead, who built/gathered/trained the assets of the clan?
Depending on the answers to those it could be griefing, I suppose. Without any of that context though, no I don’t think it is greifing for the super majority of a clan to expect the minority to leave as opposed to the reverse should staying together become no longer tenable.
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That’s not griefing. That’s…well I don’t really know what that is, but it’s not griefing. At worst it just sounds like someone is being a selfish prick, but there’s a lot of missing context here.
Griefing is pretty much just malicious trolling, more or less. Generally it’s something that has a tangible negative impact on the ability of others to play the game.
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Them asking you to leave isn’t griefing, and you guys refusing to leave isn’t griefing. What comes after could be griefing or harassment depending on how this gets resolved.
For example, other guy gets tired of you not agreeing to leave and so he waits till he’s the only one online and destroys all your bases and releases all your thralls. This would fall into the griefing category, although it might be hard to convince FC to take any action.
Another example of griefing would be him going on a spam spree, leaving and then reporting your clan for spam. Again however this is probably going to be very hard to get FC to take action against the griefer.
Some examples of griefing in other games include driving backwards on the track in a racing game with the intention of making other players crash and ruin their game. Or intentionally team killing repeatedly in a shooter with friendly fire. It’s generally doing very specific things that have no benefit and arenspecifically done just to ruin other people’s fun
Personally I’d recommend trying to find some amicable solution if it’s at all possible. Offer to let him have a fair share of stuff, and offer to help him get built up by providing him with plenty of building materials.
If they continue to refuse to leave then it comes down to who the clan leader is to make a hard choice. If one of the three of you is clan leader kicking him would be the next logical step.
If he is the clan leader though there isn’t really much you can do if he continues to refuse to leave. In this case I’d say just take what you feel is fair and leave the clan. You’ll lose your buildings and deployed thralls, but it’s better than staying in what is certain to turn into a toxic situation, if it already hasn’t.
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Agreed! I know this sounds absolutely crazy, but we currently have no clan leader at all. There was a bug, which has been reported to zen desk already. That means no one can kick anyone, so that’s where all this drama has started from! No one wants to lose their thralls (we have about 100 fully level 60s). I asked about the griefing because apparently not leaving the clan is bannable according to him, so I just wanted some clarification.
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Before the bug occurred, I was the clan leader, and I was never intending to kick anyone (I’m typically the ones who wants to sort things peacefully), but he believes I did this ‘exploit’ to spite him and the clan. Which is stupid, because I haven’t heard of this bug before. Once I was officer in the clan, I left the clan to see if this fixed the leadership bug, it did not.
So this is where the predicament started because when I got added back into the clan, obviously there was no clan leader to promote me to officer, so I became a lower rank than him, and he started kicking me over and over again. I personally think that’s griefing, but like you guys said, it’s hard to prove I was the clan leader initially.
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It’s harassment, and therefore against the rules, but even if you gather evidence (e.g. by recording a video) and report him for that, I don’t think Funcom will take action any time soon, if they even take action at all.
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I know right! I had a look through offical code of conduct and there’s nothing about griefing on there, I really hope they clarify these more next time they update the offical rules. Hopefully he can act like a grown up and get over himself 
I can imagine that, long time ago I was in a clan on pvp server, we had a little discussion with a fairly new member who wasn’t satisfied being a harvester, so next day we all logged in to no base at all, during the night he had looted everything of value, destroyed the rest and the base + a few hidden storages scattered around the map 
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Clanning up in Conan Exiles is an immensely more trust-based thing than in most games. People in a clan can…
- Get you banned (by hacking/cheating/exploiting/whatever)
- Steal all your stuff
- Most importantly: All your base are belong to them
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I sit comfortably in my position of never clanning with anyone.
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Egalitarian misanthropy for the win 
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All the things are mine and all the controls belong to me.
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