Which structures are cold resist?

Ko6ka · 2019-10-05T18:40:39.442Z

Halcyon:

Black Ice, Insulated Wood, Khitan and … what else?

…and it’s all it seems to me. Just too few cold-resist types of buildings in this game with such big frozen biome.

Halcyon · 2019-10-05T19:00:51.509Z

Hey…not bad. The Khitan walls look the same outside facing and inward facing. They make for the perfect room dividers while offering structural support. That red adds a warm feel to the interior too.

Maedhros · 2019-10-06T05:00:57.766Z

Temp and temp resist are a really weird thing in this game.

Just the other day, I was running through Sepermeru at noon wearing my full Pictish flawless chieftain furs, shivering from the cold (as one does, when wearing furs in the desert at noon). I switched to Aquilonian flawless infantry and as the day ended I actually hit Very Cold at one point. I’m sitting in my house at 20 degrees feeling a little warm, my character is in the desert wearing leather and steel and freezing his bits off.

My base is a mix of Frontier, Black Ice, and Aquilonian. The AQ stuff looks so damn good, but dear god has it been glitchy recently. The game can’t decide if it wants to actually register that the foundations exist or not. Some sections I can run on, so sections I do the float hop, some I just run around with my head sticking out the top as I walk on the ground. All the while I’m naked because the armor makes me too cold or hot.

Maedhros · 2019-10-06T05:02:46.408Z

Also, why is Khitan stuff cold resist? Khitan is not a cold region, it doesn’t make a lot of sense for it to be a cold focused set.

Ko6ka · 2019-10-06T15:24:06.864Z

And why is Frontier heat-resist? Northern building set… Don’t search any logic in CE temperature resist system, my friend!

Wolfrider4594 · 2019-10-06T22:23:26.143Z

Because Frontier stand for the border between Pictishland and Aquilonia, also know as the Bossonian Marches. IT IS NOT A COLD AREA. The climate there goes from temperate to hot in the south near ZIngara.

Maedhros · 2019-10-07T03:26:12.641Z

For the Pictish border the temperature isn’t spelled out, although simply based on where it is geographically a much better argument could be made for low temperate to cold, than temperate to hot. You could say the southern part is warmer and humid, at best.

Ko6ka · 2019-10-07T05:15:10.436Z

Wolfrider4594:

IT IS NOT A COLD AREA.

But they wear fur… Pictish armor looks warmer than my outfit for our Russian winter, and my winter clothes easily stand minus 20-25 grad Celsium. And all our houses here in Russia are cold-resist of course in spite of some hot weeks in summer. If my home IRL was heat-resist to make me comfy in July I would die of cold in February even with hot heating radiators in every room.

tin_egg · 2019-10-07T07:37:41.537Z

Halcyon:

Now I know what most people are going to think: “Just swap to a warm outfit and you’ll be fine.” considering I’m using fashionist Mod, that’s kinda fine…but It’s tedious having to swap armor everytime you go down south for Brimstone, or teleport with maproom from mounds to volcano, having to carry 2 suits of armor.

Have you tryed setting up some fireplaces? They used to give some heat, but I haven’t tryed them after the temperature rework.

Ko6ka · 2019-10-07T07:47:45.183Z

tin_egg:

Have you tryed setting up some fireplaces? They used to give some heat, but I haven’t tryed them after the temperature rework.

They work now OK, just next to it you’ll be too hot in your cold-resist armor. But radius is 1 foundation only, maybe a little more.

Kapoteeni · 2019-10-07T11:09:42.357Z

Khitai is a big place, meant to be the Hyborian Age version of China. Much of it is mountainous, so it makes sense that cold weather is pretty usual in Khitai.

Wolfrider4594 · 2019-10-07T16:40:27.250Z

Look at a map of Hyboria and you’ll see were exactly is the Frontier. It isn’t hard it follows the Thunder River. Then read Conan story “Beyond the Thunder River” (I think it’s the right title in english). It’s the main source of information about the Picts and their land. If you still believe that Pictishland is a cold place after that, then your case is desperate.

Abomineer · 2019-10-07T16:51:24.623Z

This thread has some recent and great experimentation to show how the temperature protections work.

The axis I’m still vague on is how this intersects with personal gear, alas.

Maedhros · 2019-10-08T00:58:46.635Z

I’m aware of the locations and geography. ‘Beyond the Black River’ takes place in the south part of the region near and south of Velitrium. I said it would range from temperate to cold. That region spans a huge section, but to say it would be primarily hot makes no sense.

Aquilonia and Pictish lands would he similar in temp, for game purposes if anything they should both be temp neutral for the highlands and savannah biomes.

Kapoteeni · 2019-10-08T07:47:12.418Z

Maedhros:

I’m aware of the locations and geography. ‘Beyond the Black River’ takes place in the south part of the region near and south of Velitrium. I said it would range from temperate to cold. That region spans a huge section, but to say it would be primarily hot makes no sense.

The Pictish Wilderness is home to beasts like giant snakes and panthers, which are more commonly found in warmer climates in the real world, and the Picts themselves are described as wearing little in the way of clothing, so it’s not likely to be cold, at least not for most of the year.

But you’re right, the Pictish Wilderness spans a wide area from north to south, so regional variety in climate and wildlife sounds reasonable. On the other hand, Howard was no expert world-builder, so the Pictish Wilderness in its original form doesn’t necessarily make sense from a realistic perspective.

Maedhros · 2019-10-08T08:00:22.252Z

Yea, my argument is more because the Pictish armor is fur based, and in his world that became the British isles region. I would like a temp neutral set, so I could stand inside my house in the highlands without being very hot.

Charmain · 2019-10-08T09:49:56.285Z

I have a puny arena keep north of mounds, no issues with temperature there. And i have little ligthing that might give any warmth, and zero fireplaces.

Halcyon · 2019-10-08T17:56:04.624Z

I tested purely the structures themselves. Tidy 2x2’s without any proximity temperature alterations such as torches or such.

I run my test with attention to detail and several control groups, with different set types performance relative to one another.

Arena set are cool structures compared to Khitan.

So, it’s good and nice that your hut further north keeps you sufficiently warm, Khitan will still outperform it by miles.

Wolfrider4594 · 2019-10-08T20:42:24.604Z

Maedhros:

Yea, my argument is more because the Pictish armor is fur based, and in his world that became the British isles region.

The British Islands climate is mild cold in the northern Scottish highlands and the Shetlands and Orkney Islands, and temperate for the rest, but rainy everywhere. Most of the border between Pictishland and Aquilonia is temperate to hot climate. I agree it"d been a better choice to make the Frontier buildings temp neutral. It wasn’t done so making them hot resist is a better choice than cold resist.

The use of fur for the Pictish armour set is a game design. But furs is very common for ceremonial clothes in many primitive societies even those in hot climate. Then I always had the feeling that the choice of fur was made to give more use for it in crafting. If you look at all the recipes, very few use fur while many use skin, light and heavy, and leather, normal and thick.
You could make the same argument for armour crafted with silk. SOme are cold resist and some are heat resist. But IRL silk was used to keep you warm not cool. And it does a better job at it than fur. To stay cool you must use lien or cotton made clothes.

system · 2019-10-15T20:42:32.624Z

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