Comprehensive Feedback: Living Settlement System: A Bugged and Unengaging Experience, Enhancing Age of Heroes for a Deeper and More Engaging Experience

[Hansel]

@Hiveshadow

so im not allow to like what comes out and say what im thinking that is what you saying i can still be worried and still love/like the things their comes out and sorry im not seing the things on your way to see things

i am going to try to say it one last time :

1. it is ok for you to like what is coming.
2. it is not ok to dismiss other people complaints with a “they will fix it”, (go check the megathread, regarding the beta and its issues and you simply not giving importance to people concerns of the bugs being found.) you do know that there are very importqant and annoying bugs in the game for years, it never got fixed? you do understand where poeple concerns comes from?
3. or could you explain why you think they have not fixed those important bugs and why people has been repeatedly asked for an age of fixes as @Kikigirl brought?
4. do you understand that people are reading you as dismissive of othe people concerns? and if that is not your intention maybe there might be something wrong in the way you are expressing yourself? because if people are reading you in certain way that is not what you intended the issue is with you? and not with others?

done with this discussion. i do hope you realize that it is not only ME reading you the way i am,

regards.

@drukuku

It actually is.

of course it is!

[Kikigirl]

That is not what I am saying, you are allowed to like it. This isn’t about liking the new age or not. I don’t like most of what is coming in terms of new content but I’m not going to begrudge anyone doing so.

It’s about your strange behaviour in repeating hollow words anytime someone mentions concerns.

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This is an example:

Person A: “I’m very upset about the possibility of further issues with what comes with the new age, such as 1, 2 and 3, because of the past issues with 4, 5 and 6, and the longstanding problems with 7, 8 and 9”

You: “Don’t worry, it will be fixed”

Person A: “But issue 7 and 8 have been in the game for a long time and haven’t been fixed”

You: “I know, there’s a lot of problems, but it will be fixed”

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You’ve even done this to me.

[Hansel]

EXACTLY KIKI! you hit the nail !

i was trying to find the words and you did it perfectly!

[Hiveshadow]

@Kikigirl

It’s about your strange behaviour in repeating hollow words anytime someone mentions concerns.

first of all i blieve they gonna fix it that dosen mean i have said they gonna do it as a statement as you have chnage the text on the subject.

[Kikigirl]

Sure, I also HOPE they’ll fix everything. Sooner rather than later. But I don’t actually believe they’re a priority dude. Especially when there are bugs still present from EA.

[Hansel]

he will never admit it.

yep, its hollow words when contrasted with the evidence and past experinces… he is free to believe it, but he resorts on doing it every time , at least reply to my concern posts, to the point i thought he might be an undercover funcom rep XD haha , for the record i believe hje is not.

[Kikigirl]

Anyway, with this, repeating the same things acting like “it’s fine, nothing to see here!”, is dismissive. It doesn’t add to the conversation, it doesn’t help others, it isn’t even reality. Is it really a conversation?

[DeaconElie]

You do get the wiki is written by players and is not official, right?
Parts of it are the authors opinions.

@Hansel

It looks to me both of you do not play at officials. … right ?

Wrong as usual. I’ve only played on officials since 3.0 dropped and I came back.

@Hansel

Otherwise i can’t explain how disconnected you are with the situetion of the official servers

Not agreeing with you does not mean being disconnected. A good 4/5 of my time playing this game since it dropped has been on live.

@Hansel

animations are cosmetic. nothing more. It is as cosmetic as skins.

No it most certainly is not. If that fact is beyond your comprehension so is the rest of this.

@Hansel

so i add an animation to something it is not cosmetic but functional?

Yes, right.

@Hansel

you must be new to funcom , or have no track on how they do things. some of us do.

The update will come to live with fixes to issues on the beta severer, you know how I know that?
Because I’m far from new here and keep track.

@Hansel

now you say they will change things on chapter two and add control.

No they didn’t.

Man its like

@drukuku

It actually is. It’s a purely visual thing with no functional,

@Hansel

it is not ok to dismiss other people

You mean like say people must not be playing on the live servers?

A dance is not a cosmetic, it is an emote.
A thrall setting at a work station working is not a cosmetic it is an animation.
A thrall walking from point a to point b is not a cosmetic it’s an animation.
A thrall standing there eating is not a cosmetic it’s an animation.

Not part of the lively village is a cosmetic.

[drukuku]

I stand by what I said - Hiveshadow and yourself have been referring to Cosmetic Items specifically as what you consider cosmetic to mean. It is more than that. Emotes, idle animations, all that stuff is all cosmetics.

EDIT: and that’s not just to lump all that stuff categorically into ‘cosmetics.’ IF that eating animation was paired with the application of a buff at the end, it wouldn’t be cosmetic. For the PC dancer thralls and their dancing emotes aren’t cosmetic, though the choice of which one they play is. Anything that is a visual stylistic choice that has no functional bearing on anything is by its very nature cosmetic.

[DanQuixote]

This is it - the debate over ‘cosmetic’ is a nonsense because both parties are using the word correctly. It is also starting to look like a deliberate attempt to shift the context of the argument. Cosmetics were not the subject, but deliberately limiting the meaning to its narrowest possible interpretation is a convenient way to argue against something without actually addressing the substance of what they are saying.

There is considerable difference between ‘a cosmetic’ and something that ‘is cosmetic’. The first instance refers to the specific limited category that Hiveshadow and DeaconElie are referencing. The second instance refers to anything that provides visual effects with no actual change to gameplay. An emote is not ‘a cosmetic’, however an emote is ‘cosmetic’ - it has no game effect beyond the visual. Same with animations. Same with anything that has a visual effect but no actual impact. That is how the English language works - words have varying meanings depending on their context.

Given that English is (to the best of my knowledge) not Hansel’s first language, it seems particularly unreasonable to try to argue based on limiting the possible meaning of the words he is using. Especially when that limit is false in the first place.

As to whether the ‘living settlement’ system is cosmetic - it is mostly cosmetic. It does have some impact on systems (ie it changes the way benches work), however the majority of the system, and the part the Hansel has made clear is what he has an issue with, is a visual change that has no actual effect. Thralls walking about and attending to needs (if it even works) remains a purely cosmetic effect (ie a purely appearance effect) unless or until further systems are added that make the ‘needs’ actually have an effect.

Personally, I have no side on whether or not the system is good. I haven’t tested it myself, so I don’t know how well it is working. But, having worked for 20 years as a professional editor, I’m a little sick of seeing the English language misused and then wielded as a club against someone who’s already gone to the effort of learning to communicate in a second language.

[DeaconElie]

@drukuku

I stand by what I said - Hiveshadow and yourself have been referring to Cosmetic Items specifically as what you consider cosmetic to mean. It is more than that. Emotes, idle animations, all that stuff is all cosmetics.

I can assure you none of that is a cosmetic.
It really isn’t. I know some game chats have lead you in to misbelieving they are, but they most assuredly are not.

You standing by what you BELIEVE doesn’t make you right.

@DanQuixote

This is it - the debate over ‘cosmetic’ is a nonsense because both parties are using the word correctly.

And here we go. WRONG.

@DanQuixote

An emote is not ‘a cosmetic’, however an emote is ‘cosmetic’

I’m going to put this up there with calling all content skins.

[DanQuixote]

But by all means, continue to demonstrate that you do not understand the difference between ‘a cosmetic’ and something being ‘cosmetic’.

Just a little hint - if you cannot see the difference between the two terms in quotes, then you do not have sufficient understanding of the English language to be trying to lecture people about how to use it.

[DeaconElie]

@DanQuixote

But by all means, continue to demonstrate that you do not understand the difference between ‘a cosmetic’ and something being ‘cosmetic’.

You do get you just proved me right don’t you?
Or that what you are attempting to prove is that entire game is cosmetic.

@DanQuixote

Just a little hint - if you cannot see the difference between the two terms in quotes, then you do not have sufficient understanding of the English language to be trying to lecture people about how to use it.

Back atcha

[Hansel]

OMG…

what effect does it has in the game to see a thrall moving from a to b and sitting to eat something (only an animation)

animation is purely cosmetic, as it has no effect on your game play,

@DeaconElie

Wrong as usual. I’ve only played on officials since 3.0 dropped and I came back.

so according to you, the performance of official servers are perfectly fine, even with more than 25 players actrive at the same time? of course not!

@DeaconElie

Not agreeing with you does not mean being disconnected. A good 4/5 of my time playing this game since it dropped has been on live.

so performance is absolutely outstanding ? … hahahaha

@DeaconElie

Yes, right.

absolutely wrong, if is has NO EFFECT On game play, it is cosmetic, a dancer removing a buff , is not cosmetic, but if the dance is just an animation with no effect it is cosmetic, it looks pretty, nothing more..

@DeaconElie

The update will come to live with fixes to issues on the beta severer, you know how I know that?
Because I’m far from new here and keep track.

not what track record shows, they dont use the test servers as real beta servers, implementing fixes of things that are NOT TESTED is the wrong way to run a beta program, it is common to see things that was reported on testlive going to live servers with those very same important issues reported, and a few weeks later they come up with a half baked fix that no one has tested, for some the issues but not all, and some others issues remains FOREVER,

we are still having issues from EA that never got fixed, we still got issues from the tavern system that never got fixed,
we still have pathing issues that never got fixed,
AI problems that never got fixed, y
ou getting stuck to your mount that never got fixed,
inventory problems that are still pending and never got fixed,
should i go on?)
if you cant aknowledge that list, yes without doubt you are playing a different game in a different enviroment.

@Hansel

now you say they will change things on chapter two and add control.

this comment was not directed at you… it was something we were discussing with hideshadow.

@DeaconElie

You mean like say people must not be playing on the live servers?

no i never dismissed him all i said he is playing the game in a different context and conditions, i am talking about live official servers, wich it a very different experience than single player, for reasons i have explained in detail several times.

@DeaconElie

A dance is not a cosmetic, it is an emote

if it has no effects on gameplay it is cosmetic. no other way around it.

@DeaconElie

A thrall setting at a work station working is not a cosmetic it is an animation.

if it has no effect on gameplay is cosmetic

@DeaconElie

thrall walking from point a to point b is not a cosmetic it’s an animation.

animations are cosmetics if it has no effects in your gameplay.

@DeaconElie

A thrall standing there eating is not a cosmetic it’s an animation.

its cosmetic if there is no buff being given by doing such action.

@DeaconElie

Not part of the lively village is a cosmetic.

fully cosmetic and wihtout player control.

[DanQuixote]

@DeaconElie

Or that what you are attempting to prove is then entire game is cosmetic.

No. I don’t know if you are being deliberately obtuse or just that your reading comprehension is just so poor that you do nut understand what is being shown to you. The game has systems in addition to visuals. Are you not aware of that?

Changes to systems are ‘non-cosmetic changes’ changes to visuals only are ‘purely cosmetic changes’. Changes that alter both systems and visuals are ‘changes that may include a cosmetic element’.

I have shown you multiple dictionary definitons to support my response (in addition to literally working with the correct definitons of words for over 20 years).

But beyond the point of your insistence on remaining ignorant - the whole ‘cosmetic’ argument is a deliberate attempt by you to derail the actual discussion that was taking place so I will not entertain it further. Congratualtions on finally joining the block list.

‘A cosmetic’ is what you keep trying to describe.

‘Cosmetic changes’ has a far broader meaning than the narrow definition you are attempting to pretend.

[Hansel]

@DeaconElie

Or that what you are attempting to prove is then entire game is cosmetic.

can i have some? please ? hahahahahahahahha

[Hiveshadow]

@DeaconElie

Or that what you are attempting to prove is that entire game is cosmetic.

ohh so you mean when we fight is a animation, i mean its is kinda a animation your CH making or do i missunderstood so its cosmetic just need to know to learn something new

[Hansel]

@Hiveshadow

ohh so you mean when we fight is a animation, i mean its is kinda a animation your CH making or do i missunderstood so its cosmetic

[DeaconElie]

@Hansel

animation is purely cosmetic, as it has no effect on your game play,

That isn’t the definition of a cosmetic, that is my point.
Why is that so difficult to understand. Not everything that doesn’t effect you game play is a cosmetic.

@Hansel

the performance of official servers are perfectly fine,

DO NOT Fn PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH. Where ever did I say that?

@Hansel

if is has NO EFFECT On game play, it is cosmetic,

@Hansel

not what track record shows,

Do I need to link you to every updates fixed bugs list?

@Hansel

no i never dismissed him

You dismissed both of us. Do I need to quote you doing it?

Show me a definition of cosmetic that say “If it has no effect on gameplay is cosmetic” good luck you’ll need it.

@Hansel

wihtout player control.

LOL wrong. I proved you can set them to a station and they will stay.

@DanQuixote

No. I don’t know if you are being deliberately obtuse or just that your reading comprehension is just so poor that you do nut understand what is being shown to you. The game has systems in addition to visuals. Are you not aware of that?

Oh I more then likely know more on how games work then you

And I knew you wouldn’t get it.

@DanQuixote

Changes to systems are ‘non-cosmetic changes’ changes to visuals only are ‘purely cosmetic changes’.

So the entire game is cosmetic. Which is what I meant. As in it’s purely visual.

@DanQuixote

I have shown you multiple dictionary definitons to support my response

Oh you might aught to go back and reread them.

@DanQuixote

(in addition to literally working with the correct definitons of words for over 20 years).

I find that quite hard to believe.

@DanQuixote

Congratualtions on finally joining the block list.

[GhOsT51]

I see your points. Do you remember that thirst/hunger system was implemented for thralls in early game? It was removed because of the players.

Now I feel that “someone” seems to be forced to develope something new at all costs. CE is in my opinion in a state where it should be. Players who want to have other features can access a really huge base of mods.

If I want to have “a living managable camp” I would play Soulmask. In CE is the main effort to be with the main char “in tour” - not at home.

So far my thoughts about it.

cu