I’m going to be honest, I don’t think 5,000 pieces is what got the OP banned.
Its going to be based more on how much of that was unusable space and how spread out it was. I mean if you build a 5,000 piece tower with a small footprint and the majority of it goes up instead of ‘out’ and each bit of space is being used for crafting and such. Then you’re going to be fine.
I suspect that isn’t want the OP did however.
But unbanning to get people to come back. Well… no I doubt this would. And I also doubt this would be beneficial to the ones currently playing without adverse actions. Mass amnesty doesn’t usually work for these sorts of things.
Case in point, I’d like to see the sort of base the OP would likely build on a public server if he could now.
Yup… but until he differentiates between “foundations” and “pieces,” we can only assume 5k foundations. Now if I saw a 5k foundation base, I’d lose my shit over it. Especially if it’s in my backyard. No one, not even serious players, should be build that. In fact, I can build a massive base without a single foundation… so thinking you need to level out the crevice with a stack of foundations to build on top of it, then you’re just doing it all wrong.
And even if he differentiates and mentions he used 5k PIECES, that’s still not grounds for a permaban. There’s something more to this story than we’re being told. And that I think is blatantly obvious.
Absolutely needs clarification. It could be a language barrier or just a miscommunication and I like to err on that side instead of assuming the worst.
This person used to participate frequently in the forums and spoke often on the issue with building and zendesk.
While I do not know anyone personally who has been perma-banned on first offense for building I’ve heard it has happened. If they’re telling the truth then it is just part of the inconsistencies with how Zendesk reports were handled back then.
I can give many examples on inconsistencies of course but if anyone is truly curious a search or two on the forums on these subjects would give a lot of context.
I’ve seen these scattered around yet I’m sort of skeptical - I know for a fact a lot of people pirated the DLC through weird modding tools, but if that was done with the Bazaar it was a suicidal move (the ban would be justified on it’s own), on the other hand, if true innocence’s the case from all or most of these bans people have been complaining, Funcom’s out of line…
On a server you can pretty easily judge the unserious players by all the structural dependencies. Many old school builders/hoarders place the walls then the foundations inside, then work outward with honeycomb. If you think about 5k foundies, they’re all wrapped, all independent (if competently built) and all piled with trash or roof pieces.
Please indulge one brief tale: my Brother and I arrived on a server in mid warfare between a Clan zombie (body vault) and about 11 established players who were basically just refreshing themselves. Tokens on the map, etc. There were disastrous wars, the guy’s Clan formed up, my pals joined in and over three months we ran them off. Then we set to rebuilding the world.
There was a great Bridge of Peace spanning a chasm. A nice tavern space near the Frost Obelisk. A cool hunting shack near the Undead City, of all places. And we were happy to meet there and fight anyone who dared defile these or other spaces. It was fun, the crowd was light hearted and happy.
But then we realized all our dream pieces would be in violation. And I heard that after a year of holding another server, a good friend was shot down and banned. Well I deleted all the public stuff. And then I deleted everything else. Haven’t played on Officials for any reason other than testing and troubleshooting since.
In the intervening time, I haven’t heard of anyone I know or know through friends who has been permabanned. @Kikigirl is quite correct.
I have no idea what you’re saying. However, I’m on console and can’t use any commands. I see what I see and I can definitely see “owned building pieces” in the clan menu, so I’m not naive to that. Please stop talking to me about things I don’t care about. You’re focusing on stuff that I didn’t even mention. It’s like we’re all talking about how great apples are and you walked in on the conversation and said, “I like the platypus!” Bro, just leave it be.
If it is in fact an issue with pieces and not foundations, then MAYBE we’d be on the same page, but until it’s clarified, you’re going on a rant about something that makes no difference. Now, yes, there is some abuse with false reports both currently and in the past, but if that were the case, his build size likely had nothing to do with the permaban. No one gets banned permanently for land claim on a first offense, unless Funcom admin is COMPLETELY messed up. That could be possible, but I’m inclined to believe there’s something else at work here. That being said, as @Kikigirl mentioned, she’s HEARD of the reports from a few people, but hasn’t known anyone personally to be banned permanently due to land claim. Oftentimes people come on these forums and say they banned due to land claim, yet may not have even double checked what the reason was. If they were banned that long ago, I can safely say Funcom probably didn’t even give a reason. The one time I was suspended, it never stated the reason. It just gave an error. NOW they actually do tell you on the screen. I know this because I know some individuals who were suspended recently for exactly that reason: land claim. So please, stop with your groundless argument about whatever you’re going on about.
Wipe all the public servers and impalement either a piece count or land claim mechanic for building.
Having a ToC either no one reads, no one understands, or uses the vagueness of as an excuse to brake it, does no one any good.
Neither does no warning
Nor no explanations.
But this path has been wore to a valley with no fix. I know people will argue that wont fix the problem, but what we have now isn’t working so it is long past time to try something new.
Not a fan of wiping public servers, but I think a heads up about a budget or change in the system would be appreciated, especially if they plan to start deleting anything exceeding said budget, much like thralls were. Though I suspect this would piss off a lot of people, regardless of said warning. They basically created a monster and putting it back in its cage is both not recommended and too late at this stage. It’s something best saved for Exiles 2 or something similar.
jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez very funny, three monkeys, don’t try to understand what is difference in game engine on pc, which is the original code
“5000 foundations aren’t 5000 pieces” is what you said
and very funyy to see you see you still ignore it when we sent you something that proof the game count in building piece, and that one foundation is a one building piece, like one wall is 1 building a piece, and you probably have no idea what is a placable in game engine, don’t try to open your mind, all fine
and don’t listen to experience that people share with you with over 15k hours on official
Bud, you’re not really trying to have a conversation, just arguing.
I think the whole focus on foundations vs. pieces is irrelevant as some people only really build with foundations. Ya it’s ugly, ya it doesn’t make sense, but it has little difference other than structural integrity and aesthetics rather than it being against ToC.
funny, if you dont know to launch the game build a foundation, create a clan and look at what the game say about building piece you have, and only argument you have is to say cancel culture, when i sent you picture of inside game, not able to see building piece owned in pictures?
Dude… just stop… you’re just getting ridiculous now. No one cares. I don’t and neither does anyone else. Others have told you that you’re not doing anything of relevance but arguing about something that no one asked about. I know how the count works… but no one was talking about that except you.
sorry but those forums are about giving feedback of real players, and not cancelling other people, anybody that play the game will understand very well and again that was the answer you did when i simply answered that I got a suspension in past for 2000 piece building around a wheel of pain (that was a base), and your answer was “he said 5000 FOUNDATIONS. NOT PIECES. if he meant pieces, he should have said pieces. Now he likely meant that, but everyone can only go off the information they’ve been given.”
…when the game count in building piece with one foundation = 1 buliding piece,’
and since that you say you don’t understand about what i talk (you could say sorry too), so may be you should have more experience to give feedback, and change philosophy before canceling other people (which is a form of fascism) when they simply try to explain you how it work, and share what they have saw and experienced (and look my profile please)
.
and you can still do the try to build a foundation, and see how the game see it under clan, and building piece that will show up at bottom of screen as i showed you in pictures posted.
and a base is not a spam, and on pvp server you need build base that will not collaspe in few seconds because bombs, arrows and gods are ACTIVE, hard to understand ?
I’m done with you, man… this whole topic has nothing to do with what you’re arguing.
anwswer not in relation with orignal topic ? that was 'Please give everyone one chance cause to many banned for land claim just please un ban it will bring a lot of people back I bet"
you know what happened on pvp server with people banned just for pvp base able to resist for more than 20mn to a raid and blocking nothing when reported ? it was considered as landclaim problem by zendesk (situation is different for pve server where thzez is a real problem with landclaim not needed base)
and you know what problem is on pvp server ? not building of legit player, and you know very well what is the problem if you really play on pvp official.
OP probably was wrong in their wording. jmk was wrong for focusing on it. You’re wrong for responding like this. Is it worth it to argue for hours about this? Give it up.
well i gave my initial feedback and would not have answered again without someone explaining me that a foundation is not a piece (it is not me that coded the game) and as the game engine is , every building is one piece, and if someone has a doubt he can use toggledebughd on solo session on pc or check under clan tab inside game that will told him.
game engine count in bulding piece and placeable, that is reality and we can move on.
and i will be very happy if zendesk close account of hackers reported and never again close account of a legit player for simple base anf false landclaim problem on pvp server (and will be happy to have them unban legit player for simple base building considred as 'landclail problem"), is that ok for everybody ? and i can send to anybody in private per request the video to see of what we are talking with the ticket number.
if he meant pieces, he should have said pieces. Now he likely meant that, but everyone can only go off the information they’ve been given.”