Limit construction objects and placeable items 💡 (PVE)

[CodeMage]

Here we go again

I usually get cranky when I see this suggestion, because it has been proposed so many times and I always have to explain the same things over and over again, but hey, I’m on vacation, so let’s go down the rabbit hole again

@Wonka

When I think of “yet another limit construction topic”, I remember when years ago I (and others) asked for Thrall limit and it did not seem like a practical solution. And it is a reality now!

And it didn’t end up solving the problem it was supposed to solve. Many of us thought that the followers were the main culprits for official server performance problems, and those problems didn’t go away when the follower limit was introduced.

Mind, when I say “those problems didn’t go away”, I’m not setting up an unrealistic expectation of servers running perfectly smooth. No, what I’m trying to say is that the performance improvements from follower limit didn’t justify the “cost” of having to deal with the limit.

True, you couldn’t run into a theme park with 400+ thralls and pets crammed inside it, but the overbuilt servers kept soiling their beds and crashing just like before.

So now we have a game mechanic that actively punishes people for forming clans – because of the follower limit formula – and for what? For something that is better solved through server moderation.

We could keep playing Russian roulette and say “introduce another limit, this one will surely fix the problems”. Or we could ask for server moderation to be improved.

@Wonka

Or we can think on a friendly solution like the one with the Thralls: let players know a limit.
I believe players and clans should have a limited number of construction blocks and placeables allowed. Numbers are not subjective.

There are two problems with that idea. One is that the follower limit is not “friendly” in any way. I already explained why.

The other is that while numbers aren’t subjective, they do need to have a purpose. The problems you mention don’t happen because someone has a certain number of building pieces or placeables, but because of the way they are used.

Unless you set the limit so low that it cripples pretty much everyone, you won’t avoid having those problems.

In short:

@stelagel

A building limit alone cannot solve the issues that we have and probably won’t solve anything!

As for alternatives, I think an upkeep system might be somewhat helpful when it comes to performance – and also help deal with serial refreshers – but it also won’t solve the problem. The only way to solve the problem is to moderate the servers. Players won’t self-moderate, so someone has to… help them