How many well geared thralls have you fought recently? Sure even the best thrall can be killed if you want to spend the time doing it. Though an inventory full of the best healing and the thrall becomes very powerful because it just keeps healing and chasing you down or now with the new AI guarding an area. It is not as easy to get a thrall out of position to where you can bring it into a kill zone. Truth is, if the thrall hits you, you will be running, healing for 30 seconds. Yea you can come back, rinse and repeat for half an hour or more if you want. That sounds heroic.
Basically you are assuming my âyou will runâ comment to mean you run away and never come back. It actually means you will be running away from the thrall (or boss) a lot because the damage they do does not take 5% of your health, it takes 30% or even 80% depending on other factors.
Why should anyone have to carry around 300 aloe soup just to stay alive?
I can see it now, you walk into the bar at Set City and Conan says âHey stranger why the back pack full of aloe soup?â to which you reply, âI need it to stay alive because if I get hit once it takes half my healthâ. Conan ponders for a moment then turns to you and says, âYou are a wimp, Crom laughs at you!â.
Probably why Crom will not answer us players, we are not worthy.
I have no doubt you know the game well Rohi. How well could you take on two level 20 geared thralls, after all good things come in pairs?
In another post you said this (I actually thought that was a good post, very knowledgeable)
Could that be because player health is so fragile and if you want to live, you have to run like a âcrazed maniacâ? I feel this statement by you kinda supports my position.
Players are ânewâ exiles, thralls have been exiles for nobody knows how long, living the hardened exiled life, do you think you could go somewhere different from where you live now and be as hardy as the people who have been there much longer? Makes no senseâŠ
This is an argument U havenât seen enough of. Technically, shouldnât the NPC be the same HP and DMG as at least the level 0 version of it captured?
If that was the case, the leave thralls as is, and bump NPCâs to match them at level 0 base (including the starting atts). Then try to run through the volcano and or knock out Cimmerian berserker.
No, some are there just a bit longer than you have been there, ie the ones near the starting area. They havenât experienced the hardships of say, the volcano.
Following this logic one step further, it would make sense for the player to start with the same or comparable HP as the NPCâs. PCâs could start the game with 400 or 500 HP and scale up to 800 or 1K. Couldnât this in itself solve a lot of the balance issues?
No, the logic is I capture a thrall with x and y as HP and DMG, then when fresh off the wheel, they are a and b as HP and DMG.
And no, unless you scaled the DMG up for players, because then PvP fights would be never ending with the uber heals we can get. Then that , in scale, makes the thralls and NPCâs seem even weaker. then they get scaled up, and the circle is never ending.
How much dmg does a NPC cim berserker do? Because I think you are underestimating NPC dmg-output by alot.
They hit pretty strong for a starmetal 2H sword. Same with volcano guys⊠(and SoC has 91dmg VS 2hstarmetal 60dmg).
Also its a good question how DMG from NPC is even calculated? Are they having internal attributes? Is the weapon even considered or is dmg just a property on each thrall??
Are the armor and HP values kinda like for normal players or sth completely different?
How high is the armor of the Arena Champion? And have players the same armor/dmg reduction with a flawless crafted version of her armor?
and may you underestimate weapons that you can useâŠ
have you even tried daggers ? have you ever tried poison ? have you ever tried acid and poison arrows, have you ever tried firespark arrows and set arows
and have you ever tried all that with dodging⊠or simply a shieldâŠ
and dont you think there is a learning curve in any game ? learn to fight and you will have no problem with arena or any thrall. from time to time they will kill but that normal⊠nobody is god and you will be a real heroe if you learn how to deal with that and kill them, and its possible. am not so sure you will be real hereo if they make possible to kill enemy thrall very easily by people who didnât took the time to learn all mechanism of the gameâŠ
There are so many weapon/armour/item variants in the game for people to use like the arrows you said, specter potions for undead, war hammers for aoe, daggers and poisons for living things, sunders for the undead. You can tailor your build to do awesome and heroic things in the game. Thralls have obviously become a crutch that is so heavily relied on. Comments like âdodging and rolling and using a shield isnât heroic, its boringâ are a prime example of whatâs wrong with a very large portion of this forum crowd.
I would love some more boss fights like that, with more mechanics. I want bosses that cannot be soloâd. Big raid bosses.
It seems such a shame that there is so much of the games items that go unused because thralls are just the ultimate weapon. Just point it at a boss and wait for your loot.
A stat that should have never been added to thralls is Melee Damage Modifier and Ranged Damage Modifier. Theyâre lowering it in the next patch. But not removing it.
It does exactly what it sounds like. It multiplies the damage of the thrall. For Dalinsia Snowhunter, she has a 3.9 dmg modifier.
That means a 100 dmg weapon will do 390 in her hands. Before strength and buffs.
Postpatch sheâs dropping to 2.2
She will still do 220 points of dmg (before strength and buffs) with a 100 dmg weapon.
If they removed this stat, or simply made it 1.0, and modified what thralls get from strength, then they would be more in line with player power.
I agree they still need high health pools. I remember when they came with the health they had before knocked out and they were pretty lackluster. So they need this for the fact they donât quite dodge like us and all that.
But all thralls should have a base hp pool, modified by tier (1, 2, 3, or 4). Then the tribe they come from modifies their stats, and then whatever stats they get from leveling (the RNG). That would make for some way better balance and normalize the thralls a bit too.
