Thread regarding dlc's and future monitization

i wanted to actually qeustion funcom on something

so the battle passes were dropped coz they werent making enough money right?
and everyone dislikes the crom store and account tied purchases
especially coz its not useable offline

theres been noise about it for years

so like why not just make dlc’s again and adjust prices for inflation?

theres enough content in the cromstore+battlepass to make like 5-10 dlc packs right now

even if you price them at 10$ each thats 100$ gauranteed from most active players

like everything is 50% discount on the crom store for a while now and with the recent battlepass news…

players have been begging for better monitization and have said they’d pay for just a single armor set etc as well
so like why not listen to the players

why keep banging your head against the wall and keep losing money (presumably)

like what is the end goal of constantly employing the most anti consumer based practises and being utterily slow on any bug fixes etc

do you guys hate making money?

im genuially baffled as to what funcoms aim is here
clearly not even the whales are paying enough coz why else remove the battle pass and discount everything on the crom store?

its just so weird
Like im almost 100% sure most of funcom conans earnings is from older dlc packs and the actual base game rather than the cromstore

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this really? thats a waste of money then.

Digital and electronic goods aren’t affected by inflation the same way.

If they were, Conan Exiles would be $120 to purchase. And DLCs would be $45 each. That’s not sustainable.

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You’re not paying attention to all the buildings and armors online then.

No the dlc is a huge disappointment because what no one is factoring in is the 30% store cut and that s majority of folks wait till a sale happens and so what’s left for FC after a 70% sale and getting only 70% of that revenue? $2.10. that is what they would get.

All inclusive language doesn’t work here. If everyone disliked it the pods wouldn’t be swimming through. What most people dislike is the pricing; which may have changed.
1: No return/refund policy.
2: Prices.
3: Not usable off line.
4: Items released borked.

Fix those and I might shop there. Hell give us a refund policy and I’d shop there. But I have no confidence in the quality of a product if the store doesn’t have enough confidence to back it up.

The issue is inflation. Those DLCs on steam would cost you $40-50 today. Are you whiling to pay $50 for a collection of related bazaar items?

I’ve always though the DLC were under priced, especially when they go on sale for half off.

The battle pass content was bazaar quality and funcom was practically giving it a way, free samples are about as consumer friendly as you can get.

Ever stop to think they dropped the battle pass so they could drop store pricing :astonished: The dropped something they were losing money with hand over fist, and made a move to make more money with what was actually making money.

And some people are 100% sure the earth is flat.
the moon landing didn’t happen.
the earth is hallow and full of dino riding Nazis.
And so on. You being convinced is a bias, not a fact.

Yet collections in the store would cost you as much and offer far less.
But glad you agree with my price estimate.

Everything that is done has no production cost, only hosing costs, so even on sale the majority of the base game and DLCs is profit.

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yeah everything on the cromstore is not useable offline
and theres so many things on rotation it takes months if not years to actually be able to purchase the thing you want

buying out the entire store can cost like 500-1000$

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yeah but companies use this argument a lot

lets say 100k people buy one dlc thats already 200k in revanue
ur underestimating how much you can earn

i 100% agree with your proposed solutions
and yeah like i said earlier game devs do claim theres inflation

i’d totally be ok with paying like 200$ for a lot of content

battle pass content is now eternally gone though
so whats the point of having bazaar quality if a lot of people cant really use it
if battle passes lost them money why not double down and put it all on the bazaar
this is what i reffered to with stubborness
coz they half admitted it was a mistake

yeah i agree

i’d totally be fine with paying 30-40$ for a juicy dlc bundle

i think most people would

also i apologize for my inclusive language but im just going off generalization based on the numbers ive seen

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But is it?

by crom what could this mean
what are you suggesting here…?

Reskins. Would not surprise me to see reskins of battle pass content.

I don’t care what companies say. I spent $30 on Conan Exiles in 2017. I spent $50 on Super Mario Bros. 3 in 1990.

Milk, eggs, clothes, and other necessities changed in an entirely different direction. In the last 34 years.

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Yeah. I actually checked it some time ago. In Finland, if we look at the rate of inflatio in the last 35 years, prices should have more than tripled.

What we see is that some prices have gone up over 6x, others have gone down.

Prices at those levels aren’t unrealistic these days. Some JRPGs have cosmetic outfit bundles for 20 bucks or so, for maybe 7 outfits and a handful of accessories. Or 15 bucks for a bundle of consumable items (healing potions, exp boosts, etc.).

So, a good old Conan Exiles DLC with a complete building set, three armor sets, a set of weapons and a bundle of placeables for $30 to $40 sounds actually pretty reasonable. The problem is just that people remember buying those for $10 so would be complaining loudly about the new prices.

Would I pay $35 for the stuff we got in, say, the Khitan expansion? I might. If I could trust the core game to operate properly without having to stress over losing thralls, collapsing buildings, glitched quests, etc. But if the core doesn’t work, no amount of decoration isn’t going to save it.

You can wrap shit in candy wrappings, but it’s still shit and not chocolate.

Ok. FC still has 200 or so employees. So everyone gets 1000 for the length of time it took to get that? And we haven’t even factored inoffice space, equipment costs, marketing costs, taxes, insurances, etc.

I know, you can say the price of the game itself also needs to be considered…true but so does all the loans to keep the company afloat prior to that release. You can have a hot game and still be in the red because it took so much money (with no revenue)to make it. At the bed you are probably paying monthlies on a 2 to 5 million note at 10% APR. You game sales are barely covering that if you are a hot game. Nevermind a game that is 7 years old.

People love to talk about “vote with your wallet”.

And I like the concept, but I am more on the “truth” of the statement, not on the “virtue signaling” of the statement.

“vote with your wallet” is used by what “natosphere” call “right wing” or “conservatives”, or anything you call these days. It reflects the fact that in a market economy, consumers can “cancel” (yeah, I used that word to imply it is THE SAME THING) businesses by not buying their products.

The problem with using “vote with your wallet” as virtue signaling is that it in actuality works BOTH WAYS.

A company can “cancel customers” by using their wallets. Meaning, a game publisher for example can cancel the “masses of single payers” by allowing those who want to pay “a large sum” to do so, and therefore cancel the need for increasingly grow its consumer base, which is a risky and cumbersome proposition. That is market, but some people think market is only when it benefits them.

Well, monetization strategy is the name of “paying with your wallet” made by companies. And I am in total agreement with that counteraction to the abuses of the “masses”.

Contrary to what people want to imply, businesses ideal course is to make a product that everyone wants, no one complains about and they can invest in changes as little as possible, by means of making it work well and not require updates as often. While the average “apple product consumer” was “conditioned” to accept that “every update must have features” even if it is just a change of color or position, that is not the main business ideal, as it is a stupid strategy that brings more cost than revenue, but Apple earns from other streams and dont really need to work on customer level products that much, so they simply sell “the dream”.

On serious business which runs on their products, they intend to get profit from it. If you are not giving profit for it, the business should, would and could strive to make your wishes irrelevant, and attend the higher quality customers to their goals.

That means they might do things people you dont like enjoy so they earn from them instead of you. Abso-freaking-lutely.

If you are so fond of all the monetization crap people talk, adhere to their “virtue” and stop playing. See who’s end it better: you, or the business you are “cancelling”.

That is simple. If people are really that “righteous” on the issue, sure that will make the business broke, right ? So what is the matter ?

No. They were ended because they were an inefficient use of resources. The battle pass story and challenges required additional development for something that was just going to change in the next chapter. They said they were going to use that development for the base game instead.

I will speak from personal experience.
The last 2 years i spend more money than i spend the previous 4…
The funny thing with dlcs is that i never used all the items or the decoratives of each dlc, but from bazzar, i almost use them all the time. Same goes with bp items, I still don’t know 80% of items i have unlocked :rofl:.
It’s purely what @Narelle said a couple years ago, “milking time”.
But this ain’t my concern.
My concern is that my crafting inventories are really big now, really big. After all these years i started using filters, because in showing all it’s madness. In my fresh characters i do not unlock all the vanilla anymore, it’s too much.
I do understand that development needs funds and people, like all of us, work for money. I have no problem with it.
Yet some things are ridiculous over priced, that’s a fact.

I am not happy with the bazzar system, but i don’t want to see development stop.

I wish there was another way, but i don’t believe there is!

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This. Sure they were a cost savings but I didn’t use like 50+% of the DLCs. But that stygian commander armor set is my go-to set for most of my builds. That dragon one katana is my skin for all katanas. The builds sets I use all the rime

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Agree. I’ve pointed out a few times about how high quality the content was for a game battle pass. What I’m used to for pass content is much cheaper to produce, more MSpaint then actual fully modeled content; different furred armor and such, reskins. The free potions and tribucket ammo is more like what I expected.

:laughing: dude really, :rofl: Think for a minute, there has been more to buy and it’s been more expensive so of course you have spent more.

I certainly haven’t used all the ornaments from the sets because I don’t decorate. But I have used all the building sets, have picked my favorites, and usually build themed.

funcom knows what they need to do to get my money.

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Who says that? What business press or TV channel do you watch?
A large AI company has lost more than 200% of its stock market value in a single day… AI companies and others Technological and Coding companies are trying to maintain their reputation these past few weeks… The digital superinflation is yet to come, as happened with other tech companies in the past that lost a lot of stock market value.
Well, no one will go broke completely and probably no one will lose money… only the shareholders,i mean,they will lose shareholders,not,only shareholders will be the ones losing money.

About prices,i think prices are a little bite “tamed”,a little down than a few months ago.

Who knows?Opinions will not define anything.
I see this ,and well,in Siptah there are something new too.
I still ask for really cool offers!!!

Thanks Funcom!!!

My bank statements.

In 1990 a 13" color TV/VHS combo was way more expensive than a 40" LCD 4k TV in 2020. I also paid quite a bit less for Conan Exiles than I did for NES and SNES games.

And this isn’t due to deflation.