The Grey Ones (Isle of Siptah)

After more than year I decided to return to my pre-Age of War char on Isle of Siptah. Since the Isle of Dusk crash has been fixed, I thought I’ll revisit my favourite locales (and discover the ones I never been to).

I went on a little killing spree loop on Isle of Dawn and encountered the F–k You Brigade in the form of The Grey Ones. :rofl: Back then, these poor arseholes were the epitome of a glass cannon. They had only 190 hp (Stygian Invaders had 750 HP, if I remember correctly), but hit like a truck with their obsidian weapons. I almost lost my Dalinsia, when I engaged the scorpion boss and one single Grey One with a greatsword.

What I’m curious about is, do we have any lore about The Grey Ones, besides the descriptions on their weapons and armor?

We know they’re not human, they’re incredibly hostile to humans, apparently have human admirers and they’re categorized in-game as undead (assuming it’s not a game-and-story-segregation case), since they are immune to bleeding, poison, and knockdown effects (and are vulnerable to the spectre oil).

For some time I thought they might be a Cthulhu Mythos version of The Grays, but under their masks they look conventionally humanoid.

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This one wishes.
More Lore would be excellent.

We also know they had a method of conjuration independent of that used by the Elder Races via the tower and storm.
Those pools.

They also seem absent from any of the notes made by Siptah or the ancient people of X’Chotl and are completely in mentioned by the Elders.

Perhaps they crash landed between the time of Siptah and the modern era?

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I could totally see them crashlanding here and devolving into a primitive, frustrated and violent race.

The planet Earth seems to be a bloody bus stop for every horrific outer dark/alien race out there, doesn’t it? Giant-Kings, Mi-Go, the Lloigor, Spiders from Leng, Krllandyans, Doels, Shaggai Insects, Yag-Kosha and his Hunter (who arrived on Earth on a honest-to-god spaceship). God, I so love Funcom’s Conan Cthulhu Mythos creation.

As for the absence, I think it’s because Siptah’s lore got implemented before the Isle of Dawn/Dusk got added to the game.

But they might have been seen as one of the Elder Races, that preyed and fed on humans. Eventually the humans fought back and more or less destroyed the Elder Races. It might be the reason why the Grey Ones are so violent towards the contemporary humans.

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Black Ones appear in some story from the Conan series. These are demonic creatures of unknown origin.
As I understand it, political correctness prevented the developers from naming them the same as in the story, and they turned into the Gray Ones.
But in the DungeonMasterTools mod there are legendary weapons with Gray Ones weapon skins from Siptah, and they are called Black Ones weapons.

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To be entirely fair, it’s not just Funcom.
Howard and Lovecraft were proliferate pen pals and used each other’s ideas and characters/creatures freely.

It is not too much of a stretch to say that Mythos is a part of the Hyborian Age.

Oh, we know the development reasons, but this one refuses to let something as banal as that to intrude upon fun speculation to fill a gaping hole. In the absence of actual cannon, we can craft fannon to fit.

As for them being seen as elders…
They have no vault.
Unless the broken vault down on the Isle of Dusk was theirs. The only survivors of that calamity being the ones we see on the Isle of Dawn.
If we knew more about the Accursed and the First Men, it would be easier to piece this together.

We know the first men are largely dead on the main isle.
The ones on the Southern Archipelago seem to be degenerate and mutated.
On one hand, they work Starmetal.
On the other, they’re cavemen.
Further, there are only males?

Now, are they, or are the Accursed, remnants of the Acheronian civilization that once dwelt on Siptah?

Siptah’s expedition couldn’t scratch the Vaults. But they may have lacked the understanding to forge Starmetal. Both the First men and Accursed use Starmetal (yes it is because the Accursed are copypasta of the Cimmerians from the Mounds of the Dead, but let this one finish spinning their yarn). Perhaps Starmetal could scratch what the Stygians could not and one of these groups managed to shatter the vault for the ones who would become the Grey Ones.

In the absence of official lore it is hard to say, but that the Accursed of the Isle of Dawn seem to venerate or emulate the Grey Ones could be a clue.

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The Grey Ones are obviously inspired by the Black Ones from Pool of the Black Ones. I guess they are a related species or maybe just a different ethnicity.

That doesn’t help a lot, of course, as Conan doesn’t find out much about the Black Ones.

What hints can we gather from what we see ingame?

  • The places they live in look like ruins. Did they build these once-great palaces? I assume so, as the pools are similar to the pool the Black Ones have build, so it was probably the Grey Ones who built these.
  • The Grey Ones are, we can assume, intelligent. They created cities, craft weapons, bury their dead, seem to have a social structure - all signs of intelligence and culture.
  • The Grey Ones look similar to humans, but don’t seem to be actual humans. It is possible that they are related, but I guess they’re not. I wouldn’t be so surprised to learn that they’re related to the Giant Kings and Frost Giants. but there seems to be no evidence suggesting that.
  • The Grey Ones seem to have stone-age like technology. There’s no or little metal in their equipment and buildings. They are very skilled in producing stone and obsidian weapons, and seem to command some weird magic, but that seems to be it.
  • The Grey Ones’ magic seems to be quite powerful. They trapped some of the most dangerous creatures of this world and some from beyond. Despite trapping creatures, they don’t seem to have mastered anything useful as far as we can see. For fighting, they rely purely on phyisical strength and their weird, but apparently stone-age level weapons.
  • I found no reason why their cities and palaces look so run-down. Their society seems to be in decline. It is even possible that they don’t create new weapons and buildings, living off the craftiness of their ancestors. The nearby obsidian forges probably are theirs, but there’re no Grey Ones even near them. But what caused this decline? The arrival of the First Men? Interference from the war going on on the main isle?
  • The ruins and therefore their society must be quite old. You can summon living (!) Silent Legion members (at that time, not “Silent” Legion, to be precise) and a living Giant King from them. So, they must date back at least to the age of the Giant Kings, more precisely to the time of their war against the Lemurians.
  • It’s puzzling how and why creatures from the Exiled Lands got to the Isle of Siptah during the Giant King age. From the lorestones, we learn that Serpentpeople travelled from the Isle to the Giant Kings’ lands. But the reverse? The Giant Kings would have had better things to do during the war to mount expeditions to faraway islands, I assume. My guess is that the shrines were active at that time and teleported creatures from the Exiled Lands to the Isle of Siptah. Some surprised Giant Kings and Silent Legion soldiers seem to have stumbled upon the Grey Ones and got trapped by them.

In conclusion… there’re more questions than answers. But that is what one should expect from the Hyborian age. Conan doesn’t seem to understand many things happening around them (e. g. “dragons”), and our characters live in a similary mysterious world.

Also, some story elements going missing doesn’t help the already obscure lore, such as Telith’s ghost or any hint where Razma got the Lemurian mask. These gaps should be closed.

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Age of Conan had the Black Ones from the original REH’s story, so maybe the Gray Ones are some kind of ofshoot of the Black Ones. In the story the Black Ones used magic to transform living beings into inanimate figurines.

The Gray Ones seem to possess (or once possessed) a similar ability, but the figurines we can un-shrink are wildly diverse: living humans, undead, aliens, even Blood Moon Beasts (whatever the f they are).

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True. What I meant was, they weren’t strictly an Elder Race, but humans viewed them as such anyway (they’re intelligent, ancient, monstrous and prey on us - a distinction without difference for humans).

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The more this one thinks about it, the more the broken vault seems possibly theirs.

@Khaletohep
Perhaps the reason they make nothing new is because they are undead. Black Ones going ashen to Gray with long term undeath.
As dead things, they just keep going thru the motions they once did in life and like zombies in an apocalypse cinema, ignore each other and hate the living?

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That’s actually a good hypothesis. They do nothing more than just exist and exterminate every living thing (especially humans) that encroaches upon the ruins of their cities.

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Aye, and they also aggro on wildlife of all forms.
Or at least the scorpions in their ruins.

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It’s possible that the contact with the Giant Kings predates the cataclysm that sank Atlantis and ended the Thurian Age. Perhaps the Grey Ones civilization was alive and active back then, before humans got around to making a mess out of the Giant Kings’ playground.

Both Black and Grey Ones may have been human once, a very long time ago. Contact with creatures of the Outer Dark or other supernatural entities could’ve twisted them into the bestial creatures they are now, while at the same time providing them with the knowledge to turn living things into little statues.

Who knows what the actual purpose of the statue-turning magic was. Maybe it was intended as a prison. Maybe it was intended to preserve certain individuals until a later date. But without their masters, the degenerate 50-shades-of-grey dudes just kept on tossing folks they could find into the pools, as instructed, without any real purpose.

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When I played on Siptah, I had the feeling that these ruins do not belong to them, that they were built once upon a time by powerful intelligent beings, and the gray ones cannot create anything, they are savages, they appeared there later and just live there.

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Seems like that to me, too. As if hostile aliens crashed in Mesoamerica, exterminated the Mayas and inhabited their cities.

Speaking of vaults and devolution - I found it confusing that the vault statues were “devolved”.

Then saw it was mentioned somewhere that the creatures were capable of creating such sculptures even in their devolved state, implying they were incredibly advanced in their higher state and considerably advanced even devolved, but doesn’t seem like it when you encounter them, as they have no tools or weapons (or diplomacy).

If the vaults were built before they devolved, why wouldn’t the vaults have their original features?

As they devolved, wouldn’t they worship the higher, more ideal version of themselves?

My realistic explanation is that it was cheaper not to come up with another 14 separate creature concepts, but if we turn that into lore it could be that as they devolved in isolation, they grew more narcissistic and self-centred - detached from the past and outside world - and adjusted the look of the statues along the way to be more in line with what they know now.

P.S. De-vault-ution :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

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Interesting ideas…

Are they undead? Can somebody test if they react to poison and spectre coating? Not a real exclusion of that idea from a pure lore perspective, but would give us a hint. The theory is a really good one, I think.

Do they just inhabit the ruins? Well, I’d say no, because the Black Ones (their literary role-model) had pools similar to the one ingame. Buuuuut who says the Black Ones created their pool? Maybe they also just occupied the territory. Good candidate.
What is weird is that the statuettes are scattered all across the island. The Black Ones semmed to treasure their figurines, similar to one would keep collectibles I assume. But the Grey Ones either lost a lot of them, or they attribute no great value to them. I’d say the latter, as even the statuettes in territory the control just seem to lie around randomly.

Personally, I’d still assume that the ruins are “theirs”. Despite their abysmal state, I can see no hint or even evidence that they invaded later. And to me, their appearance and the style of the ruins seemed to fit together. But that’s a matter more of feeling than objective observation. The invader or undead theory would explain a lot.
A more simpler explanation might be that wars with the first humans, the elder races or even the first Stygian invaders ruined their society.
The first men are pretty tough, but probably no match for a Grey One in an one on one fight. But with superior numbers, faster procreation and so on, the first men would very likely have been able to deal major damage to their society, maybe enough to ruin their ecomony for centuries. Maybe they even forgot how to trap creatures in their pools, or just lost interest in it.

If the Grey Ones did not create the pools… who did then? The ruins look like remnants of some mortal race, not eldritch horrors. Serpentpeople? Their building style is vastly different, favoring round shapes instead of the sharp edges of the Grey Ones ruins. Giant-Kings? They build high, elaborate structures, whereas the ruins look more low-tech, closely stuck to the earth. The first men? We know little of them, but they don’t appear of the intellectual prowess to use magic, at least in their current state.
One has to notice, though, that the undead first men look remarkably different than the living ones. Maybe they devolved from a more advanced society and biological form? Maybe the Grey Ones are relatives or even living remants of what the First Men looked like in the ancient past?
There could have been some shift or schism in their society. In the beginning, they used their pool magic, but something drove them apart. One branch devoled into the first men, and another branch that doesn’t care for the pool magic turned into the Grey Ones. Some remnants of their original form, vaguely similar to both, “survived” as undead all across the island. The devoled First Men might have battled to Grey Ones to get their figurines, which could explain why they’re all scattered about the island now. The First Men couldn’t make much use of them, and slowly forgot their meaning.
Maybe the pools was what kept their intelligence? All just conjecture and speculation. But there seems to be some mystery we cannot see.

@ Kapoteeni
Their contact may date back to the cataclysm, but they must also have contact with the Exiled Lands during the Lemurian war. Else, there would have been no Silent Legion. Tyros’ human slave soldiers army was created to fight in that war afaik.

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