Considering the orientation of the map, I find it difficult to believe the current sun path is realistic. It still rises from the southwest. If it has any relevance to the world map of the Hyborian Age, East is still East. Not southwest.
They moved the moon alright.
But someone missed a little detail.
The reflection of the original moon still shows up along it’s original path.
That one, they neglected to remove.
(this is even though we see a new reflection corresponding to the new moon position).
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No its not realistic. Its clearly not intended to be.
In the original setup, the location of the sun and moon would have placed us in the Southern Hemisphere of the planet.
If you’re in the southern hemisphere and looking toward the equator, it orients the sun and moon more correctly as rising in the west and setting in the east. (the way it was). Correct me if I am wrong.
It’s how you perceive your position on the planet relative to the sun and moon’s path.
We know the Hyborian Age map relates to the Northern Hemisphere with some of it crossing the equator.
This would have effectively placed the Exiled Lands somewhere in the Southern Hemisphere.
That was easier to accept only if we oriented ourselves correctly.
Where was the Exiled Lands said to have been placed?
The orbits didn’t need to be changed, but some folks just couldn’t adapt.
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In versus, I called mine IceSphere. That is the one I chopped the network code away from the UI. Instead of the usual firewall, now we have a code “wall”. UPnP is nice for starters, but it means a comprehensive look. I think UPnP doesn’t know how to freeze communication. The quick and friendly way means to drop packets. Being ‘smart’ here is dire for the next generation to settle on newer tech. I digress on sounding like a newspaper.
This one will be a touch pendantic.
East and West are relative to the Sun’s path, not which direction the pole or equator is.
That having been said, your point is correct in that, if one is in the Southern Hemisphere and faces towards a polar region (assuming the Volcano and Tundra are polar) with back to the equator, the Sun would “rise” on the left hand side and “set” on the right hand side, the inverse of similar arrangements of facing in the Northern hemisphere…
And that does track with this one’s memories of how the sun’s path progressed when this one first noticed how… other than expected… it was.
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Just one more point to consider.
In part, I’m wrong about the orientation of the sun as it was in the beginning.
In thinking back, it was only the moon that followed the path giving the perception of being in the southern hemisphere.
The sun, however rose and set much the same way as it does now in rising in the Southwest and setting in the North by Northwest with it’s path taking it almost directly over our heads at noon. I only remembered this when I had set up a large sandstone sun dial in the water just off the little island near the Sentinels and this was back during Early Access.
With that in mind, even if it was intended for visual graphics effects, it throws off the entire orientation of where we really are on the planet with only the moon providing any relative positioning information.
So my original summation still holds. Someone on the development team royally screwed it up.
Not exactly… our toon is born knowing nothing except a complete map of the Exiled Lands… The in game map provides all the relative position of everything on the map. TBH for all the discussion on the sun’s position over the years, I’m honestly surprised there isn’t more made of the fact that you can look at the entire EL, spot little details and say “hey what’s that?” when you’re new in the area. Map aligned North, per the usual custom, and the moon path confirms this. The sun does it’s thing but you can always tell where you are by the map.
I’d be all for getting rid of the in game map and telling position just by the sun moon and stars if it were an option. Then separate the ambient lighting a bit from the actual sun position to keep the good lighting for effect, but as to immersion and the sun… I think the immersion on that front gets blown with the in game map anyway.
I definitely would have liked to see this. It would have been interesting to see how the community would have navigated the Exiled Lands without a map and figure out where everything was. Someone would have eventually pulled a image from the devkit, but I would have love to see what the community would have drawn up without access to a full image map before they had access to such.
This is what community made maps looked like in Everquest a little over 20 years ago. Players took it upon themselves to try and map the areas using navigational methods. And for years using hand drawn maps others had uploaded was the norm. Due to how the map tool that was added to that game works, this is still kind of the norm, just more efficiently done.
The Watsonian perspective: another sign the Exiled Lands aren’t exactly set in the material world, but are a custom-made pocket dimension, like one NPC suggests (and a few item lore descriptions).
The Doylist perspective: it’s more convenient gameplay-wise. Most of the map would be too dark for too long if the sun rose from the East.
I disagree with that analysis, and the narrative that would follow from it. Anyone who reads the thread can see when shots were fired, who fired them, and can easily see the sequence of personal attacks and insults that followed.
Anyone who can’t tolerate having their hypothesis being challenged has only themselves to blame if the conversation goes badly.
“Oh, the things the uninitiated say.”
“a place that none of my critics”
“the creator is a clown”
“and I have to keep ridiculing…”
“I have yet to see anything solid to contradict the theory besides ‘it dum and i no like it’. I’d love to hear a proper counter argument made in good faith.”
“You’re selling them too short to diminish the merit of the theory.”
“You seem to have forgotten all about Age of Sorcery”
“What next, the artists who make new textures need to stop doing that and go fix bugs?”
“That’s your argument using your definition of direction. East isn’t solely determined by the rising sun.”
“I’m not even going to dignify any of the other replies with a response because it’s obvious they’re only here to talk down on the theory because they don’t like it, not because it can be disproven.”
“People get extremely upset whenever Lovecraft is brought up”
I’m not saying he’s “the villain” or even “a villain”, a certain amount of passion when arguing in favor of things we believe in is to be expected. The point I’m making is that any narrative that paints him as a victim in any way, shape or form is misguided.
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His assessments of the video in question and the relationship between the Hyborian Age and Lovecraft’s work are correct and can be considered as fact at this point.
Even if we all agreed to stipulate that those two items are true, that still doesn’t change the validity or truth of what you replied to. Ignoring the forest to focus on two trees is a disingenuous response.
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I don’t actually care if anyone agrees or not, truth is truth. It doesn’t require consensus.
And despite your delusions of grandeur you are not the final arbiter of truth.
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Pelo que sei o jogo é baseado em uma história de ação e feitiçaria bárbara fictícia portanto tudo que acontece nem sempre tem que ter lógica…
É o mesmo que perguntar “por que você morre e volta para o jogo” ? 
Obs: Tem uma parte na história do livro de Conan onde ele mesmo faz o MAPA porém ele não tem muito senso de direção nos desenhos.
Resumindo não se importe com essas coisas ou lógica dentro de qualquer jogo, recomendo que entre se divirta e explore cada parte do mapa de conan exiles
Dica: Se esse detalhe na direção do sol ou da lua te incomoda você, então deve procurar outro jogo 
“Penso que se a sombra funcionar corretamente com a iluminação é ótimo”
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I don’t think I expressed an interest in being villain nor victim. Though I’d rather be the former.
I bowed out of this thread not because I feel victimized, but rather that I can tell the argument was going nowhere and I weighed the merits of dedicating more time and effort to clarifying myself. I decided it’s not worth it, as I simply don’t care that much, and there’s still holes to be poked in the theory that people will poke. If my theory was airtight, it wouldn’t be a theory. There’s enough to convince people who want to believe, and not enough to convince people who don’t.
Maybe one day I’ll dedicate enough time to fully lay out a more sturdy basis for it, but that will not be here.
This I still stand by. The video is rife with errors that are very easily disproven by hard facts in the game itself. No external essays or theories needed. The video is just plain wrong. I’ve gone through and disassembled this specific video multiple times in the past, and if you’re curious enough to look for that I’m sure you’ll find it.
Roger that. Agreed, you didn’t. I was replying to Taemien and his assertion about you, which is why I replied to him and not you.
That would be interesting to read, I hope you do.
And, as I said to Taemien, cherry picking one bullet point out of a list doesn’t change the point I made. You walked into the thread with a chip on your shoulder, you were looking for a fight and you got some. In the world of diplomacy they call this, “Setting the tone for the exchange.” It’s not complicated to see why things went the way they did.
Mind you, that doesn’t make your hypothesis any less valid, the tone of the exchange and the validity of the hypothesis are two different things.
No need. I was convinced multiple pages ago that his hypothesis is flawed.
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If anyone has a problem with what he said about the video or his insistence about the connection to Lovecraft, why did they ignore the points he made and instead cherry picked other things he said?
You’re accusing me of doing the very thing many others already did in the thread. I’ve noticed this community really, REALLY, hates when you do to them what they do unto others.
Apparently there are no mirrors in your house.
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