I am no way as tech savvy as many of you or at a professional level of gaming like many of you, so putting this question out. I did try to search the forums but could not find it so apologies if it is an old topic.
Out of the platforms of Xbox, PC or Playstation which runs the game best with less lag, rubberbanding etc? I am in UK if that matters.
I currently have an Xbox One S but am being tempted to get a new gen console or even gaming PC. But money is an issue so if I can save paying loads out on a PC if one of the new gen consoles are almost as good then any advice appreciated.
PC is what it was designed for. Consoles were added later but still a relatively good experience compared to other ports.
I haven’t PC gamed in years due to the rat race of component upgrades so I can only assume you will need a decent gaming rig that probably runs around 1.5K USD. As far as consoles go…next gen. I can’t stress that enough. Next gen (ps5 and whatever Xbox thinks it can compete with jk my kid love xbox stuff) because the game has gotten to the point where the older gen consoles just dont cut it as far as performance. My clanmates have long load times and rubberband like fiends on their older consoles…it looks like I’m in the middle of a Conan ghost story with all of the freaky stuttering teleports they do. I sit at under a minute for load time (10-45 sec depending on what I’m loading into) and smooth performance.
PC will almost always be better for any game when considering performance - poorly ported console games aside.
The market is confusing coming into it with little or no experience but there is only a few components you need to focus on - in order of importance: GPU, CPU, RAM, Motherboard. The interdependence of one component on another adds to the complexity but it’s still nowhere near overwhelming after a little reading. A lot of budget conscious folks make the mistake of thinking you need the latest generation components in order to game well - and then give up when they see the prices (especially true in the past 20 months or so).
For example Dave’s post above… It’s generally true that the 3060 is the same speed as a 2070 which again is the same speed as a 1080. See how the numbering works there:
3060
2070
1080
Drop one off the thousand’s column (back one generation) and add one to the tens column (up one tier). AMD has similar but different (and less consistent) GPU numbering. CPUs are similar as well. Intel for example is currently shipping their 12th generation of their “Core” processors so you will see names like “Core i5-12600” You can think of the “12” as the generation, and the “600” as the tier if you like. So an Core i7-8700 is 8th generation, tier 7 (or 700).
When buying or shopping for a PC you should consider the monitor first and foremost because it will determine what level of components you need to drive it. Next should be the machine’s purpose which in your case is “Triple-A” gaming. If you already have a monitor and don’t plan on or can’t afford to upgrade then go with that.
I change my monitor setup regularly because I offer an exchange program to my customers so I’m often getting different stuff that I’ll use until I can sell it - if I so choose. Currently I’m playing on a 4k 55 or 65 inch (I forget) HDR 10+ TV/Monitor which sits on my desk less than 1meter away - and I play in a 1440p window (which is the same hardware requirements and monitor specs as a 30 inch 1440p monitor). Prior to that I was on a 1080p Super-ultra-wide, and prior to that was a triple monitor setup using three 27" EIZO ColorEdge rotated 90 degrees and so on… Information I’m adding so you can see the diversity.
So in my case I would want a system with a GPU capable of gaming at 1440p - which is fairly low spec. And with the new software upscalers like FSR 2.0, even GPUs three or four generations back will suffice - no problem.
For the CPU then, you would want something that doesn’t bottleneck the GPU too badly and that information is readily available online in forums and on YouTube.
Part of the CPU’s girth and ability to communicate with the GPU will be due RAM and the motherboard. So, for whatever CPU you land on at that stage in your shopping you’ll wanna look up the best RAM and MB. If you’re 3 to 5 generations back and you likely will be, we are talking very inexpensive parts (used).
And that’s about it… now just get a PSU that is roughly twice the wattage as all of the components combined rated TDP (wattage) added together and you’re good to go. Slap it all in a case if you want and game…
I would suggest going to Dell and buying an affordable, pre-built PC (Whatever is your price range). The one I linked has the same Graphics Card I have in mine, and I can run 4k resolution with cinematic graphics reasonably well. There are some limits though. Certain settings (like shadows) can be turned down to afford you extra FPS when things get busy. And if you wander past a huge castle, it will tank your FPS if it’s heavily decorated, and so on. I can of course drop my resolution a tier and be just fine.
Basically, a little over $1,300 bucks should get you max settings on Conan Exiles, even at 4k, with some minor exceptions. A PC from dell should last you a good 3-5 years depending on how picky/wealthy you are. And it’s absolutely “upgradeable” to extend that for several years more. Years from now you could spend $200-500 and essentially have a new PC.
PC is the best option for playing new games, on high settings, at high resolutions, at high FPS.
P.S. You can build better PC’s yourself for cheaper, but it does take some knowledge and I would not recommend it to a beginner. A trusted friend might be able to help you, to get more bang for your buck, otherwise, Dell is a easy and safe option.
(I built my own, as did my wife) but I used Dell for years.
Dell used to be good… especially their workstation and server lines… But their prebuild DT home PCs have always been a little weak and for the past 6 years or so they are complete trash to be avoided at all costs!
Mostly it is extremely wise to avoid pre-builts all together!
That’s like choosing to ride a bike instead of buying a car, because sometimes the cars show up with a dent. (Contact the dealer and get a refund, or a replacement). Dell is good about replacing bad units, if the unit is bad. Though you might have to go through a process you are not excited about. That does not mean the company can’t be trusted to sell you a working PC. I have had one bad experience with dell, out of about 10 P.C.'s. And we were able to return that product for a different one, only cost us time. Inconvenient, sure, but once you have a working PC in your hands. You have the world at your finger-tips for, 5-10 years. Ez choice. Buy a PC. Once you get good at using it, maybe build your own.
Edit: Watched one of his videos. He (in the video) was comparing a 2008 vs a modern PC. (2008 Housing Market Crash). Jeep did same thing. Crash test ratings went down for years after 2008, because the economic fallout was so severe. Lower quality materials and parts, never fully recovered. But that spans entire industries, and relates to cost, inflation, economies of scale. I don’t believe it’s comparable. And short of spending an outrageous amount of money, you won’t have the best of the best. And knowledge, is part of what you are purchasing. You pay Dell because you don’t have the knowledge to do the stuff yourself.
Regardless, Playstation and Xbox will have the same issues. AND, the PC will still perform better in every situation when it comes to computing. Whether it’s screws/panels/etc are becoming cheaper and more profitable for the company is another issue.
No, it’s not a dent… they are extremely poorly designed e-waste that aren’t upgradable, are overpriced, and do NOT perform as advertised nor as the component selection would indicate. It’s also laden with crippling bloatware not to mention the unethical hidden (forced) charges they put on your credit card. Dell? Stay away!!! Stay very far away!!!
Lots of options. That’s why it’s always smart to shop around and make a choice that best suits your needs. I had a Gateway, an Alienware (before Dell purchased them years back), then all Dells until I built my own PC most recently for affordability reasons. (You can afford better components when you put them together yourself - very true).
Dell (or similar companies) are nice because you can purchase a product, and years later contact the same company and ask for upgrade components, and without thinking, get the correct parts in the mail. To most 15-40 year olds PC’s are not that foreign or scary. But plenty of people are still not comfortable piecing a tower together and trusting it to work reliably. Often times, the hours saved of thinking/worry/mistakes is worth the extra dollars and loss in potential performance.
Frankly a $1,300+ Dell (or other prebuilt) is gonna push Conan Exiles at max settings and 4k 98% of the time. Minor exceptions aside. A $5,000 custom PC is gonna push Conan Exiles at max settings and 4k 99% of the time. The difference is one will pump out 40-90 FPS and one will put out 90-200+ FPS. To the uneducated player, the difference won’t even be noticeable if they don’t have a monitor that can push those kinds of refresh rates. What good is 200 FPS on a monitor that can only show 60 FPS.
Reality is most new geeks won’t get a 4k display their first purchase. And therefor don’t need anything more than a Dell (or other pre-built) PC.
Sorry you had a bad experience with Dell. (I did not.)
Bloatware to some is useful and interesting to others. Generally a PC gamer that can build their own tower is gonna consider EVERYTHING bloatware. A middle aged man/woman who’s buying their first PC will be fine and won’t notice anything.
Regardless, I would still recommend a Dell PC. Mostly because it’s affordable and prolly gonna be around in 5 years. Other companies might offer better hardware combinations, but less customer support. Yes, there are nicer, smaller businesses out there. A shopper has to find those themselves.
The OP is asking which is better. He’s likely not gonna try to build his first PC.
Always had issues with Dells myself, Tend to stick to HP.
Itkest till Best Buy had decent one up.
About 900$ got me mine form Best Buy, 16gb ram, 11gen i7 core, SSD, and 1080. (with slot for another)
Came with 2 extra slot for SSD’s and some other parts to be snapped in. Fans all over.
Playing CE on max. Plays Cyberpunk 2077 on High. (30-40fps)
As for Consoles… Xbox has had abit of hardware issues, which they had bring in another team go over.
I hear it runs better but still not on Par with Ps4.
Ps4 runs decent. (also has larger player base of 3 communities (which is kinda norm)
I own both Ps4 and PC. Honestly, major difference between them isn’t super huge.
I can play them side by side. =3 (and do)
It LOOKS better on Ultra Clearly, and View distance is better. Some of Pop up is gone, LOD(distance render objects work better on PC)
Main difference is ps4 and xbox have a strange texture load issue (from last patch(or before))
So if your looking North, (inside your home) and turn around.(south) (direction don’t matter)
You’ll see distance render version of objects, which after 1/2 second load in right ones.
Abit of lag on storage that are full, but goes away after game has them in memory.
PC has less habit of teleporting and oddties with enemies AI. Its more noticeable on consoles.
PC is clear winner. You just gotta drop 900-1200$ into better then decent one. I’ll keep enjoying ps4 copy.
I’ve never had a bad experience with Dell but I’ve never purchased a home PC from them either. One look at the internals and I vomit! I’ve owned “PowerEdge” servers and “Precision” workstations (many of both). They’re pretty good. It’s Dell’s home PCs that totally suck. And sorry drachenfeles, but you’re wrong on just about all of your rebut points!
HP is miles better than Dell for home PCs! And Best buy actually has something fairly decent this year! Agreed!
Still, it’s always better to build one yourself. And anyone not a complete moron can do it so if someone wants to say there are people who can’t you’re essentially calling them morons. Shopping is the hardest part - and that’s only if you’re trying to mix and match used with new in order to hit a budget. If you’re going with all new parts then even shopping takes no talent and no knowledge other than the difference between AMD and Intel motherboard sockets - and most “shopping carts” will warn you if you’re getting that backwards anyway.
Also very true if you’re only talking and DLing and Playing games “out of the box”. If you wanna customize the game or use the machine for other things besides gaming however…
No seriously… I’ve been around since Atari… had several PC for MMO’s.
I do not understand half of the stuff. I understand how a PC works. I can figure out issues.
However…
Is 6879i or 6020j or 980p or 1040… 11gen 7th, 7th x64 360 no scope…
(all made up numbers clearly)
Trying to build a PC, and your not into Naming System of Cards and Chips sets.
Its a NIGHTMARE. Going to each site, trying figure why 1080 5th gen is 3000$ and 1080 4th, 3rd run or w/e is 500$… fighting bitcoin farmers to get one.
Its just bonkers. reading Specs on Cards and Motherboards…
its just a mess.
Back in day? Snap in x2 32bits, or snap in 4. (all gotta match) Vid cards number were in order and easy to follow.
NOW!? Its like Buying Carpet… everyone has there own name, for what essentially does same ****.
I happen catch Bestbuy with ones on sale. (Ibuypower is brand they got)
Posted link on Gamefaqs, asked around. Was told it would play Cyberpunk 2077. And anything new for next few years. And was only 900$. (On sale) like a 1200$ PC normally.
Ask my Cousin (who pays close attention to all names and numbers) gave me thumbs up.
Building a PC is best way to go, But you better have a PC guru on hand. Or gonna be talked into something you don’t need by someone who wants sell you his/her fave brand or the 3000$ card over 500$ one thats still good. XD
Luckily there are thousands of us around and 90% of us just love to teach and recommend given the right environment (a game forum like this one is not the right environment BTW). There are like 10 excellent FaceBook groups - Search for “builders”, “master” “AMD”, “Intel”, and so on - Several excellent forums - “overclockers”, Tom’s Hardware, etc.
Yeah, cars is kind of a good metaphor… But you two are mostly talking about understanding the market and trying to take in the entire marketplace. It’s not that complicated - you’re overcomplicating it by doing that if your goal is a gaming PC.
There are two lines of GPUs for gaming - one line from each of two vendors. But 8 or 10 lines from 5 or 6 vendors if you consider the entire PC market. So for GPU your choice is A or B and then consider budget which is determined by tier and/or age.
Almost exactly the same is true for CPUs. There is only one product line from each of two companies (for gaming) and your budget determines the tier and age.
The CPU you choose will determine the kind of RAM you need and the difference between the top 20 models is negligible (0 to 4% FPS difference - so 100fps or 104fps) so nothing to worry about. Thus, it’s pretty hard to mess up and you can generally go by popularity, looks, and price after determining the kind.
The same is true of the motherboard. The CPU will determine which kind you need. From there budget and the rear I/O can determine the rest. Exceptions exist only for overclockers and over-powered (rich) builders.
The motherboard will then determine which case you need. Get the one that fits your MB, Budget, and has the best airflow.
You really only need the gurus if you run into problems while building or something like if the MB dox don’t teach you how to connect your front I/O or neglect to show where the RAM goes for every configuration.
So the total logic flow start to finish is very simple once you realize you don’t need to consider the entire marketplace of components and identify which are and are not gaming components:
CPU: A or B then Budget.
On Budget: choose tier and age.
GPU: A or B then Budget.
On Budget: choose tier and age.
Motherboard: Determined by CPU and Budget.
On Budget: choose Rear I/O and looks.
RAM: Looks and Budget.
On Budget: check speed as listed in the motherboard’s QLV “Qualified Vendor List”.
Power Supply Unit (PSU): Wattage and Budget.
Wattage is simple addition of the listed TDP from the vendors and then multiply by 2.
On Budget: Tier and Reputation. Tier is Titanium, Platinum, Gold, Silver, Bronze.
Case: Motherboard size, Looks and Budget.
On Looks: Also guess or ask about airflow.
And that’s it. If you’re unsure about something there are tens of thousands of examples of other people’s builds and build-guides online to compare against. After you come up with a parts list run it through a part-picker site or list it out on a facebook group to check your logic, hear about “deals” or listen to alternatives.
Assembly is no more complicated than a small kit of Lego - likely even less complex than that. Cable management is likely the most difficult aspect and that’s mostly just wherever you can stuff them with great pictures and instructions usually supplied by the case manufacturer.
If you could read and understand this post you can ACE any PC DIY build!
jk my kid love xbox stuff) because the game has gotten to the point where the older gen consoles just dont cut it as far as performance. My clanmates have long load times and rubberband like fiends on their older consoles…it looks like I’m in the middle of a Conan ghost story with all of the freaky stuttering teleports they do. I sit at under a minute for load time (10-45 sec depending on what I’m loading into) and smooth performance.
But you two are mostly talking about understanding the market and trying to take in the entire marketplace. It’s not that complicated - you’re overcomplicating it by doing that if your goal is a gaming PC.
