Building a temporary Wall

@Ulyssi Building a temporary wall to block enemies from escaping the base while being raided. Is that against the rules? They can still use potion to teleport out or kill themselves. The definition of block is no way through.

Are you talking about adding building elements to your own base to trap raiders inside it?

If so that is definitely in your arsenal of defense and not against the ToS. The ToS is about purposedly building a wall around another’s base to prevent movement. Not a “repair” of your base that happens to trap raiders in…however this goes back to the age old debate I have been having about intent vs letter of the ToS because the letter of the ToS is clear that you should be banned even though that clearly wasn’t the intent. :wink:

Building a wall to trap a enemy base in during a raid so they cant escape with the loot. This is on a pvp server so it is debatable because it is not blocking if they can blow it.

Ahhhhh I see now. OK that is probably going to cost you since that is against the ToS…HOWEVER functionally it shouldn’t and here is why. So they get upset and take the screenshot and report you. In about a week’s time FC reviews the report and goes in and confirms the issue. If it is truly temporary, then you should have already dismantled said offense and since it’s not there at the time of moderator review, it is effectively handled by FC POV. If you didn’t dismantle it, you will be probably banned as well as wiped. I don’t know of any time that FC has taken the evidence as sufficient by itself to warrant their enforcement actions but I could be wrong.

I havent seen any FC log into the server either to investigate lol. Most people believe they take it at face value which is why most are pissed.

You assume you can see them or that they just don’t look like some random level 1 entering the server with a hidden infinity gauntlet

Some more…the two reports I have had to do in the past both required screen shots and locations of said offenses (one actually just wanted to see a marked up map). There is no reason to get the location on the map unless they want to teleport to the location and review the area.

But i’m capitalizing on this so I’ll step back and let others discuss.

@Outcast3rd Im just a player like anyone else, but I’ve been a part of most of the TOS discussion around here so I can offer up my thoughts.

By my understanding of your question, you mean an offensive wall with the purpose of corralling an enemy team within the confines of their base during a raid.

I view this like I would a tower built to fall into someone’s base or a siege tower built to elevate a trebuchet. I don’t think they expressly violate the TOS, especially if they are temporary (I would advise you to demolish these offensive structures after a raid). If you left it to rot after the raid, they might catch you on spam or harassment in the case of an offensive wall.

That being said it seems clear to me that there is a disconnect between how we build and raid on official PvP servers and the people enforcing the TOS. So be careful. If I were to check your report, I would be able to identify your intent pretty quickly. Someone who hasn’t cut their teeth on our servers is going to have a much harder time doing so IMO.

If this was a question of building a wall around someone’s base, then yeah it’d probably be against the rules. But this seems more akin to putting a wall and crenellation up behind someone after they enter the base, thus entrapping them.

I would personally think this is fine. If you got reported, what is the admin going to find? Dead bodies in a failed raid?

This isn’t much different than a raid I was participating in and we grabbed some loot and decided to make our escape, the owners tried to pull up their map room before we clicked it and they weren’t quite quick enough. The kicker was this was before you could pick up placeables, so they had to eat some material cost in the attempt. Good times.

A team built a treb right on the soil next to my castle, with their timing in the boulder construction to coincide right with pre-raid time. I bedrolled over to there and they scattered. So I took some emergency stone and wood and stole theirs from the treb. I boxed it in, very low-profile and neatly. Then I simply rained hell on it from above with my own treb and some arrows. They never came back.

What I think is being asked is a bit more sneaky. I envision a Raid, and while the enemy’s deep inside trying to blow your vault, you are fencing them in with no-climb. How much is too much? Can you use Palisades too?

I see, so you think @Outcast3rd means to wall raiders within their own base to keep them from getting out with loot?

Honestly, that would seem more TOS friendly than an offensive raid wall. Especially given that in the last discussions FC opened up their stance on walls. In my mind sealing them in your base via building behind them is not much different than trap base designs.

Nope it’s building a fence around so they can’t just take and run while the raid is going on. He wants to trap an enemy base, not an enemy.

Yup trap enemy BASE. It silly to get reported for a tactic that would be consider out of the norm of the admins. The building mechanics not used as intended or not playing fair rule.

Yes but how is an admin going to know the difference between this tactic and purposely grieving a player by just sealing them into their base with cheap mats? Intent should matter but intent needs to be obvious in the build for any casual observer else the wrong intent is assumed.

I would say yes. But I’ve been wrong once already on calls like these. It needs input from those working with the official server admins. I wonder if @Umborls or others in the @Community would have time to lay a comment on us about this?

Everything should be consider against the rules until they validate it🤣.

I already know cant build a big base but got 200 thralls so had to stack them. This will be consider against the rules but conflict with other rule.

It almost seems that way sometimes. :frowning:

But FC has officially approved “huge” bases on several occasions that I’ve seen. Just saying…

Yah except mine lol I think what messed me over was fence stacking but i didnt see it as an exploit due to the fact it is the game mechanic and not mention directly in the rules.

probably still get you banned

Guessing from the level of frustration present in his typing I’d say he already was banned…