Can we finally get full nudity in US?

Full nudity would bel great. Especially if it showed all men fully nude
Have fun Exile

1 Like

Um, you may not know this if you’ve only ever seen the game on consoles, but it does. :wink:

1 Like

Fun fact @nitecat plays. On console.

2 Likes

Heck, I just had fully naked lesbian sex with a demon in BG3. And the situation was getting into “I’m not willing to continue this, please let me go” territory, too. How is that more acceptable than nudity without any sexual intercourse, like Conan Exiles?

You’d have to ask the ESRB. As @Glurin pointed out, they are the commonly used (but no government mandate) medium for retailers in the US. They just piggy back their standards to basically say no to anything AO rated and yes to anything not.

If the ESRB rates lesbian demon sex as M, its fine by Sony and Microsoft.

Though reading the Xbox/PS4 rating on Conan Exiles, I noticed it focused on the fact that the central (I assume our player character) character could appear female and topless for extended and prolonged periods of time. Where in BG3’s review it mentions the sex scenes being apart of cutscenes.

They might be stricter on the fact that in CE you can run around naked with the character taking a significant amount of focus and screen space for extended periods of time. I would point out that I am NOT defending the ESRB’s assessment here, only trying to make sense of it.

Or it simply could be that BG3, Witcher 3, Cyberpunk 2077 and others are bigger titles than CE and there is a bias towards giving a lesser rating, or even the possibility of corruption in the ESRB (aka someone being paid off). Since the ESRB is not a government agency and is simply a non-profit, it has very little or no oversight outside of finances. Which makes sense, if they are supported by the corporations they rate, it would behoove them to rate games favorably for their benefactors.

Its up to Sony and Microsoft and other retailers to hold them accountable… assuming they aren’t apart of the problem themselves.

The best Funcom can do is file an appeal with the ESRB and hope none of that corruption nonsense I proposed is true. Or simply keep the free nudity DLC available as they already do in regions where it is legal.

I would point out however that Funcom did not seek a ESRB rating with the PC version of the game. It has not been reviewed by that organization for the PC version of the game. Only Xbox/PS4.

In BG3, you can run around with four fully nude characters all the time. They just don’t market the game with that little fact.

1 Like

There’s a big difference between a little 1 inch character on your screen that you can barely make the details out of, and someone’s member covering the screen.

Diablo only got a M rating in 1997 despite potentially having dozens of female characters on the screen in full nudity (aka levels 13-15).

But like I said, I’m trying to make sense of a disparity. It could simply be Funcom didn’t pay the bribe.

You haven’t tried zooming in in BG3, have you? Between four characters you can fill a significant percentage of the screen.

Pillars of Eternity 2 actually had full frontal, too, but those were only inch-tall sprites on the screen. (Apparently the player character dress-a-dollies in the Inventory view also had removable underwear during development, but the underwear was glued on in the final version to keep the ESBR rating acceptable. Some screenshots of the naked ones survived for posterity.)

1 Like

The uk version on ps4 has full nudity and is rated pegi 18, strangely the console platform holders don’t want esrb AO rated games but allow pegi 18 which is adults only, which makes zero sense

1 Like

It does make sense when you consider the context behind how the ESRB was started in the first place. The console manufacturers were dragged in front of congress so some self righteous windbag politicians could sit there pontificating and virtue signaling at them for hours about all the violence and sexual content in video games. Because, you know, those heavily pixelated red splotches and grainy videos of women in nightgowns were apparently so ultra realistic that it was causing psychological problems in children.

Anyway, to ward off the threat of these and future bureaucrats trying to legislate the entire video game industry into extinction, the ESRB was formed and the console makers made promises about not having explicit or extreme content on their products. Which they basically upheld all this time by saying AO games bad, M games good.

As far as I know, that largely didn’t happen in Europe. Instead they just implemented the PEGI rating system and that was that.

We’ve still had occasional run ins with Karens and politicians trying to relaunch the crusade over the years. Games being re-rated because of the discovery of certain leftover files that couldn’t be accessed normally but were still present on the disc. The sexbox scandal. The occasional politician blaming GTA for car theft or video games in general for shootings. Fortunately they don’t typically gain much traction.

2 Likes

Just to piggyback on what Glurin said here, we had a Supreme Court decision a little while back that concerned the free speech in video games. Now no government authority (Federal, State, or Municipal) can regulate the content.

So it is literally a problem of Sony and Microsoft lazily linking their retail shops to the ESRB. The ESRB is funded and founded by game and console developers. Its effectively like the mafia regulating traffic. So I wouldn’t be surprised when bigger companies who can afford to help sustain the ESRB can slip things by, while smaller companies or those who don’t play ball, are rated more strictly.

To change the situation for Consoles in the US (and some other places) Funcom would need to ask for an appeal and pay bribes make proper donations. Or make an appeal and hope the corruption isn’t actually there.

Because of the way the ESRB is handled, it can be extremely anti-competition… but due to its de facto status as a rating system no one wants to be the bad guy to challenge it. Risking backlash from the lazy parents who can’t be bothered to do a little research on a game.

The whole Nudity aspect with Conan confuses the Sheit out of me.
I’m in Western Canada.
I play on all platforms.

Xbox = Partial Nudity.
PS4. = Partial Nudity.
PC Game pass = No Nudity. Not even the option.
PC Steam = Full Nudity.

So even though its Regulated through the ESRB.
Somewhere there is a breakdown. Someone is controlling it. But who?

1 Like

Money at the end of the day.

1 Like

The ESRB doesn’t really regulate anything. They just give it a rating based on it’s content. The basic idea is this. The developer/publisher sends in a sample of pretty much the “most extreme” content their game has to offer. The ESRB shows this to a small group of individuals who then give the game a rating based on what they were shown. The publisher then slaps a sticker on the box indicating the rating given and ships it off to the retailers.

That is the full extent of the ESRB’s involvement. They can impose a fine if the publisher doesn’t fully disclose all the pertinent content during the rating process, but that’s pretty much it. Everything that comes after is up to the retailers and consumers.

The nudity restrictions for CE on XBox, Playstation and game pass are entirely at the hands of Microsoft and Sony. ESRB has got nothing to do with it, but makes a convenient scapegoat for Microsoft and Sony to point at.

1 Like

We should start a petition to encourage Funcom and Sony to update the US version.

1 Like

This topic was automatically closed 7 days after the last reply. New replies are no longer allowed.