Do Funcom care for PVP community?

But that would destroy the advantage of the perk for PVE.

Thats why you promote only PVE content.

its not like its news to you guys. its been said over and over and over and over and over again how to fix the game, how to balance pvp. but you guys rather close the forum threads and ban people from your Funcom stream updates

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Agree it is great to see actual feedback. To be honest, the lack of seeing any feedback from the devos on a number of popular/important threads made me think that the devs didn’t care. Great to see actual communication from the devs on a topic.

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Just look at the Funcom launcher. There has NEVER been a PvP video promoted since it’s existence.

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It is great to see you here @den!!! And I think the community as a whole would be more than happy to see not just you but more of the team pop in more frequently even if it was just to say “yeah we have noticed an issue and we are currently working on it” or “we already have a work in progress but require a little more time to test it properly”. That alone would alleviate a lot of stress and feelings of neglect, in my opinion anyway. I am not suggesting that you need to engage in the back and forth between the community members, just a simple pop in to acknowledge that you know about the issue and are already working on it would do wonders for people. :smiley:

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To be fair… pvp videos always have full field of view and graphics set to trash… its the opposite of what anyone would want to use for marketing material. I get why people do that but damn its ugly.

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I think mine is bugged.

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Edit: Ah no, ok. They count 0% on the other games when you play <1% of them.

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Almost every change in combat is done for PvP
If not, its probably one of these things…

  • Poorly executed
  • Loudest people who complain and the changes made for them without proper testing

PvE didn’t benefit from the changes since the very first nerfs.
The only ones that complain about balance in PvE is the NPCs getting stomped lol.

Who asked for the directional attack changes anyway? Bugfix? Really…
Combat with the mouse really sucks.


Every update since AoW made the game worse… I don’t know what I’m even doing here anymore… false hope maybe…

Well if there were things to sell that cater to pvp, you would say p2w, right? Not to speak for Den but for capitalism, if you are in a business, you goal is to create and promote products to sell. The game is now on both ps plus and gamepass with regular deep discounts on steam to the point of a loss after steam’s cut. Sorry but the game is not the product anymore but the bazaar items and battle pass are.

Now that not to say bugs in the core game can be ignored. No the vehicle of the sale needs to be maintained but it’s considered “non-value added” as it’s not directly responsible for the sale. Think of it as facilities of the store itself. The bazaar is the shelving, and the products are the bazaar items and battle pass.

Now I have seen lots of people saying to boycott the bazaar due to the bugs but that is the wrong metric to trigger. All that will do is make executives push more bazaar items on Dennis to make up for the lack of bazaar purchases. The metric to point out core game disapproval is to just stop playing. Pull the CE needle out of your vein and go cold turkey until you feel it’s playable again. Those numbers will push Dennis to fix the bugs over the bazaar items. Until there is sufficient number of folks that just stop playing, the corporate machine will dictate situation normal on the game and push Dennis to draft up more products in the bazaar.

stop defending ■■■■■■ designs by competitive market designs. you’re not going to win this arguement cuz there is no argument. you should stop writing about whatever you’re writing about. you’re defending them 24/7 is all i know. and trying to be some can a mediator… just stop. oh and i did not bother reading everything. so if i am wrong. well i do not care.

and for your info i did stop playing this game 1 year ago. with that they lost 50 viewers per day on twitch + thousands on youtube… but idc they don’t care. its whatever.

they are a bad company, who care only when they’ll loose money… period. and the actions they took now just prooves it to me. if you want to argue with someone find someone who gives a shit and stop being such a keyboard warrior. i hope the community figuers out some stuff and do the same as i did. stop playing

Well. Glad to see you can still be objective about it.

As for defending, I don’t buy into the zero sum gain BS that permeates around here so what you call ‘mediation’ I call a difference in perspective. I want FC to succeed because it also means I have a mode of entertainment. However they won’t succeed to blindly follow kneejerk and biased reactions. The fact that Dennis actually points this out in his reply renews my faith that was, at times in the past, questioning whether or not design had an overall direction vs reacting the the torch-wielding mobs.

But in particular to this issue going on over movement, I’m a console player so I am not seeing the game unplayable but something that needs to be learned; a tweak that I am adapting to that limits my inherent auto-aiming that I took for granted prior and not have to manually adjust.

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do you understand why he is talking now to pvp community and never before in 6 years?? because this time they are actually scared they will loose money. nothing else. think a bit different for once in your life god dammn

Before I get called a white knight again, I will let Den, if he sees fit, and the PVP forum regulars that I know have advised the dev team throughout my tenure here. I know it has happened and I have seen it discussed on the boards but since I’m not going to try to find the evidence, I will relent and consider my observation hearsay until those that can directly attest do so.

It’s a clear speculation, a personal opinion. I won’t go against it neither to anyone who embrace these opinions.
But for me this doesn’t exist when we speak about this specific dev.
His actions all this time have shown a totally different character, like the one who loves his job and risk his “everything” in this game and to this audience.
I’ve been a graphic figure all these years in this forum when i say “they listen”.
But don’t ever think that they will do it our way, but theirs.
This is my opinion about Dennis and his remarkable team.
Now…
My little complain about the pve aspect that affects pvp, since in this game you cannot pvp without at least the minimum pve.
Agility monkey! Our toon need to be an agility monkey, dodging twice, because now most of the mobs are reading your bad timing dodge and land their attack accurately to punish you for wrong dodge timing. But… If you double dodge, no problem. So this leads to 2 things i don’t like.
1st. Pve is loosing grace
2nd. Pve becomes for another time a pvp school.
The second wouldn’t be bad if pvp had grace, but since pvp are dodging monkeys, then i don’t like it.
1 million apologies that i use the term monkey, but that’s how i felt playing solo uneven pve boss fights these days.
Although i like the mobility and the freedom agility gives, in fights i feel that i don’t have the control anymore and the only way to gain it is double dodge. I don’t really like it.
That’s my feedback!

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Well that’s good to know. The door is over there, please use it.

You clearly do not play this game, and your utter ignorance and vile attitude is not welcome.

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If you read the forums regularly then why is it the constant updates that have been pushed out the last year or so have been heavily criticized yet you consistently give a middle finger in response and go on with changing more and more of the core gameplay mechanics?

The changes to spear are one thing but when you change the actual way the game plays after years of it being like that just seems like a massive s#it in the faces of people who have stuck by this game throughout all the previous so called “updates”

Do the right thing and revert the latest changes to movement and maybe the community will regain faith in you and the rest of the team as competent developers instead of being just in it for the money to please tencent.

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Probably cuz it’s still their game and they do whatever the hell they want with it… and not what players tell them to do :stuck_out_tongue:

And typically that makes sense, since 99% of players providing “feedback” have absolutely no business coming up with “balance” or “fix suggestions” to videogames…
If they implemented all the suggestions we’d end up with some true abomination of a game…

However, that doesn’t mean that their choices are so much better either… and they can definitely make changes that a large portion of their playerbase will dislike. So if their business starts hurting from the choices they make, they will most likely have to address those, since it’s a company and not a charity… if their sales don’t get a hit though… they can get away with even the unpopular changes :man_shrugging:

Basically my point is that just because they read the forums it does not mean they have to do what they read there… part of that job is filtering through all that sewer if they want to take on some feedback.

This is true but if this is the case I don’t see why he is implying that the dev team actually take in any feedback recieved on the forums when it is extremely clear they don’t listen to anything when it comes to actual gameplay and would rather focus on the suggestions from PvE players on what decoration or armor set they would like to see be added next so they can milk the money from them

Stupid argument, sorry Xevyr. You sound as if they are creating those game for themselfs which they actually do not. They are doing it for business, to create income. For that they need to sell it to as many people as possible. Otherwhise they are going out of business fast. So in the end they need us gamers more then we need them. People only buy stuff they like. So whatever they do its better be liked by people.

And right now most of us are not happy. And its noticable and showing.

Dennis better starts to deliver better updates to people or they will run away from this game. And they won´t come back. Its almost 7 years old. Old games don´t sell as much as newer ones. At least not when they constantly are getting such shitterly updates.

And the BLB sales would suggest that people like it. Thus why should they care about what some people whining on the forums say? After all, as a business, money talks and obviously it has been talking rather loudly regardless of what we on the forums think.

On steam the recent reviews are “Mostly Positive”. That would suggest people are generally happy would it not? :woman_shrugging:

It hasn’t even had it’s 6th year anniversary yet. :woman_facepalming: