I’m not sure if you’re talking to me or not, but since I was one of those who participated in this discussion a lot, I’ll answer anyway.
For starters, no, I’m not “worried” about people getting banned for not knowing the rules. If someone gets suspended and they really have no idea why – i.e. they’re utterly convinced they followed all the rules – that sucks and I empathize with them and I think that Funcom should give them an explanation so they don’t repeat the same mistake.
But am I worried about them? Nope. What I am worried about is the possibility of Funcom giving into these recurring demands. I don’t want Funcom to ruin my enjoyment of the game for the sake of the people who stubbornly refuse to see that a limit won’t help. The policy of populist appeasement is what I’m worried about.
Yeah, sure. Based on your “experience”, it’s 20k pieces and 8k placeables. Based on @DeaconElie’s “experience”, it’s 12k and 3k. I’m willing to bet neither of you has any actual experience administrating a Conan Exile server, nor have you asked for advice from anyone who does.
I don’t have admin experience, either, but at least I can acknowledge what I don’t know, and at least I’ve had a few conversations with those who do know more.
And you know what? Not a single one of the people who keep complaining about how we need building limits “for performance reasons” has bothered to actually try to get informed about it.
In fact, most of those arguing for these limits don’t really care about performance or about the impact on everyone on the server, they only care about what happens in their own particular case, and screw everyone else. They’ll burn the whole thing down to appease their own preferences.
Case in point: several people in this thread make no distinction between client performance and server performance, and if you explain it to them, you’ll find out they don’t care. If we see a limit put into practice tomorrow and their own clients are still lagging, they’ll cry about how the limit wasn’t strict enough.
And outside of this thread, you’ll find a shіtload of people who got butthurt over getting wiped and suspended because they did break the rules, but they don’t agree that the rules should be the way they are. They come to the forums and make a ruckus about it, pleading innocence, until someone asks them what they did and then explains how they broke the rules, and then their reaction is that the rules are stupid and shouldn’t be like that. If we see a limit put into place tomorrow and they still get suspended for breaking a rule, they’ll cry about how it’s unfair because they were under the limit.
For the record, my solution is far from ideal. What I proposed – giving proper explanations about how the rules were broken – is what I believe would be good enough, but not ideal.
If we want to talk about “ideal”, I would ask for better servers, and a server moderation system with SLAs, with more transparency, and with better tracking.
That’s kinda my laundry list of what I would like to see.
We ain’t gonna get that, though, so I would rather have a “good enough” solution that doesn’t shіt all over my gameplay.
Yeah, and we have rules.
And make no mistake, although I believe that Funcom should improve the enforcement and the clarity of those rules, I’m personally perfectly comfortable if they don’t.
What I’m not comfortable with is the game getting hobbled with a new limit because there was a small portion of the playerbase who actually got shafted by a mistake and whose legit complaints were taken up by a mix of malcontents and spoiled players who want the servers and the rules and the game mechanics to bow to their needs.
No, you don’t. Wild West was what we had before the rules. Wild West was back when any asshat who had a bad day could pave over the whole Shattered Springs, wall your base off, build a giant dick-shaped building next to the wall, and call you the n-word when you complained, and there was nothing you could do about it. That was Wild West.
Have you even logged into the official servers lately? The link to the rules is in your face when you do. Every. Single. Time.
You know that link to the rules that you get every single time you log in? That takes you to these forums.
Frankly, I don’t give a shіt about them. If you go play on a server, and that server shows you a banner that says “there are RULES for playing on this server”, and you don’t read those rules, and you break them, you have NO moral ground to complain about it whatsoever.
Yeah, well, that says more about you than the problem itself.
My apologies for the harsh tone of this post, but I’ve tried being reasonable about this whole thing as much as I could. I’ve simply run out of sympathy for people who refuse to get informed, and then hide their selfish entitlement behind pretense of noble intentions and faux outrage.
EDIT: And on this note, I’m bailing from this thread. @Taemien is right, this discussion has played out and there’s no way in hell my words will have any impact anyone who’s still arguing. I’ve said all I’ve had to say, and if Funcom even reads any of this stuff, I’m confident I’ve presented my own arguments well enough for them, and that’s what I care about much more than trying to reason with everyone.