Please Improve the Bazaar

He looks like he hasn’t eaten in ages. Give that poor dog a milkbone.

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Nowhere is it stated that they don’t share visual similarities.

Technologically does not equal visually. Not a single one of your quotes pulled actually describes their aesthetics, save for the clothing of one merchant.

Your mileage is way, way off the mark. Attempting to compare the technology of the hyborian age to our real-world history is a fool’s errand. There’s cultures advanced enough to have metallurgy and sophisticated inventions like crossbows, and others still so primitive they haven’t started using metal tools at all.

Howard was by no means a formally educated historian. He wrote based on historical themes that would fit his story, you can see the technological level in the world go up and down by centuries in between stories, as needed to fit the narrative. If the story was made better by introducing something anachronistic, he just did it regardless.

The Hyborian age cannot be compared to our age, as even if you try to justify this variance with lore arguments, the simple fact is that they didn’t explicitly follow the same order of invention our time did; and they certainly didn’t follow the exact to the letter visual similarities as well.

I want to say my own personal thought is that some armors are a bit lacking, but not from a standpoint of being technologically behind; just overall lacking protection in parts that should be more protected. However, from a thematic standpoint, I think funcom nailed everything pretty spot on except Nemedia and Aquilonia. The Poitain sets redeem them a bit, but the black dragon set leaves much to be desired.

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Over Argos, western Koth and the western lands of Shem, washed the blue ocean men later called the Mediterranean. - The Hyborian Age, REH, 1936

If they’re not pseudo-Ancient Greeks, then tell me; who is? Geographically and with what information we have on them, they fit the closest over anything else.

lol

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I think the man’s own words help explain what Jimbo is talking about here:

Nothing in this article is to be considered as an attempt to advance any theory in opposition to accepted history. It is simply a fictional background for a series of fiction-stories. When I began writing the Conan stories a few years ago, I prepared this ‘history’ of his age and the peoples of that age, in order to lend him and his sagas a greater aspect of realness. And I found that by adhering to the ‘facts’ and spirit of that history, in writing the stories, it was easier to visualize (and therefore to present) him as a real flesh-and-blood character rather than a ready-made product. In writing about him and his adventures in the various kingdoms of his Age, I have never violated the ‘facts’ or spirit of the ‘history’ here set down, but have followed the lines of that history as closely as the writer of actual historical-fiction follows the lines of actual history. I have used this ‘history’ as a guide in all the stories in this series that I have written. - Robert E. Howard, 1936

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This is true to this day in the real world as well. We have cultures that are on the brink of unlocking fusion energy, and we have cultures (yes, actual cultures) using flint knives.

Pre-Columbian American nations didn’t use iron, didn’t have an actual written language and had no use for the wheel except as toys, and they existed in the same era as Europe with steel armor and gunpowder and printing press, building cities and creating works of art that survive to this day even if their creators are long gone.

Heck, the people of Finland, considered among the most technologically advanced countries these days, unlocked ironworking centuries before they unlocked literacy. We were an agricultural people until WW2, at which point we were kinda forced to evolve quickly.

In the real world Civilization game, cultures progress through the tech tree at very different paces. The same applies to Howard’s Hyborian Age, even though he wasn’t too bothered by the occasional inconsistency in his own creations. That’s why I was happy to see the Pictish dancer set (and an emote that is useable by thralls, yay!) in the Bazaar.

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My own thought is simply this: No the Hyborian Age is not anywhere near an exact analog to our own world. Which, to me, makes it even less likely that Aquilonians would dress just like ancient Romans. Or that Argosseans would dress just like ancient Greeks. What does make sense to me is that the evolution of clothing probably would follow roughly the same path as the evolution of technology. The making of clothing became more sophisticated just as the making of, let’s say, ships and weapons became more sophisticated. And, of course, the materials available made a difference as well. So while REH may not have rattled off long descriptions of the appearance of clothing he did mention a lot about the various levels of tech different cultures had. So if you’re sailing what would be considered at least Renaissance era ships in our world, you’re unlikely to still be wearing the Chiton. If you’re wearing what would be considered medieval era plate maille you are unlikely to also still be wearing the toga.

As to the unevenness of tech level among the various Hyborian Age cultures, still have that here in our modern world as well with some folks still living in primitive tribal cultures. So it’s no great surprise that REH’s cultures had wide variances as well.

Doesn’t Conan supposedly exist about a thousand years before Greece?

I have a fair question here please! The dog skin goes both on dogs and wolfs or only dogs!
Because in Siptah, i already have K9 dogs, it’s better from nothing i guess. But in exile lands i have none! So i will buy this skin for Siptah only again?

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12,000-10,000BC is the Hyborian Age.

It can only be crafted from the Wolf and the Greater Wolf :slight_smile:

I think basically all the new pets like Fox, Dogs, Wolves all require the wolf as the base pet, besides the Abyssal Hound which requires a Hyena for some reason haha

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@Coyote0903
So if i buy these skins i will have dog in exile lands :grin:?

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Yep! I’ve got an Elite version and a regular version of the Guard Dog, and I really like both! Just got the Undead Dog yesterday and he’s doing a good job guarding the cemetery!

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You ignored what I said earlier - different cultures develop different things at a different pace. And cultural clothing and fashion has nothing to do with technological advancement. People have been using cotton to make clothes for five thousand years. It’s just the designs that vary.

And, you know, most ships described in Howard’s stories were slave-driven galleys (so something from Ancient to early Medieval) rather than 17th century brigantines.

“And cultural clothing and fashion has nothing to do with technological advancement.”

Actually it does. Because innovations in clothing construction progress just like any other tech. Just as ships propelled only by oars dwindled once sails were discovered/mastered things like the Chiton and Toga went out of vogue as the underarm gusset and then the armscrye were discovered/developed because those were better ways of constructing clothing. Fashion is another animal altogether but basically ancient forms of clothing such as the ancient Greeks and Romans wore went out of style because better methods of clothing construction came along, much like the progression of armor. It’s extremely unlikely to me that the Aquilonians would have developed plate maille but failed to have discovered the armscrye, etc.

Last I checked, people didn’t magically stop wearing robes and kilts the second crossbows dropped. Fashion was, and always will be the dominant factor in clothing designs.

Military conquest has, historically, played quite a role.
(To say nothing of pragmatic environmental factors)

Conquered peoples wear whatever they are told to.
Kilts weren’t ended by the crossbow, but they were certainly banned by the English after a few scrums where sword and targe had their last hurrah.
Wearing hair in Queue was a legal mandate from the victorious Ming over their new subjects.

Even the modern men’s suit is a direct descendant of the English (single breasted) or Russian (double breasted) military outfits of the Napoleonic Wars.

So, while the crossbow didn’t kill the kilt, it’s use by the Qin created a unified hegemony that could (and did) mandate clothing options. Just as the musket gave rise to the Edo period and the sumptuary clothing laws it established.

Which is why cluttering up the Hyborian Age with too much verisimilitude is probably an issue. When we have High Bronze Age and Late Renaissance themed cultures within a couple days trip of each other, oh, and two scoops of dark magic, things aren’t going to work the way they do in our own history. Ubermensch don’t need to care about the weather, and when one has undead sorcerors to placate, the tunic cut preference of one’s trade partners loses quite a bit of weight.

All it takes is a famous musician to start wearing togas and we’ll see it make a comeback in the 21st Century, half a century after landing on the moon.

You’re telling the company that has never seemingly seen a horse before?
I thought I would die laughing seeing my horse’s ears flatten backwards and flop around as it runs.

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Toga parties are still all the rage among university students.

The prices are definitely ridiculous, especially compared to previous DLC. However, I find the quality of the items satisfactory and superior to other items. I agree that I hate permanently attaching armour to pets with “recipes”. I.e. Caravan Elephants, Rhinos (and they should add Camels) should just be regular pets with special saddle attachments that increase their storage capacity that can be taken on/off.

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