I hate to say it but, this has been Funcom’s take on PvP since before Conan Exiles was ever developed. Age of Conan was the same way. Max level 80 characters camping the starter island killing new players (levels 5-18) over and over until they just quit the game. Then they finally put a level 20 max on this area but they made level 20 alts who they never leveled past that point and got the best gear possible from outside of that area (Thanks to their level 80 guild mates) and ran the zones in packs of 6 or more killing level 5-18 solo newbies over and over until they quit. AND THEN THEY CRIED ON THE FORUMS ABOUT HOW THE PVP SERVERS WERE DYING AND HAD NO POPULATION! Well no shyte! It doesn’t take more that 1 second of pondering to figure that one out now does it?
So it is truly no wonder why Conan Exiles, a game designed to “Survive, Build, Dominate” with zero moderation would lead to exactly this sort of behavior from day one. And considering that their take on PvP has also always been one of “It’s Player versus Player so the content is generated by the Players” it is also no surprise that they have put very little into “content” for PvP. They do not see how “they” can generate content for PvP when said content is inherently supposed to be generated by players interacting by other players, and yet they built this whole system up so that players never actually interact with one another at all (offline meta).
I never played that game btw, but this phenomenon exists in every game where a solution either isn’t hardcoded or direct actions aren’t taken against it by active moderation.
(In other news, this thread did give me an idea for a new mod one that’s more pvp focused.. but it would be a lot of work.. we’ll see.)
Funcom built the system. Not denying that. Who initiates any kind of enforcement? Biased players. Sure, people violate ToS frequently, just like I have in the forums, just like you have in this thread. Does that change anything? Does it change how you will respond to topics in the future? All this starts with players who are attempting to enforce rules which is impossible to do without bias, and therefor a horrible idea.
Nope. I never cheat in online games. Cheating means you dont win, and Id rather win legitimately. Toxic on the other hand, meh, I ■■■■ talk when in heated PvP battles and wars, but I dont go so far as to say anything racial or sexual towards people. Just normal ■■■■ talking. And if someone gets so butthurt over that, go right ahead and report it if you want to. Says more about that person having soft skin affected by words in a game then it does me.
Because I enjoyed the game the most when players had to deal with issues themselves. Granted it was on PvP, so any build that I didnt like, or spam that was everywhere, I blew it up. I remember one time years ago, a clan that we beat in a battle spam covered the brimstone lake. Did I whine and cry on the forums or to funcom to ban them? No, I farmed 500 bombs a day to clear it. I enjoy dealing with issues myself. I dont need others to do it for me. Is everyone like that? Of course not. Some people just cant handle life and need higher authority to deal with things for them.
Gosh, you must be married to Deacon. Im not a victim. Ive never claimed I was a victim. Why do you guys always assume that?
Nope, never blamed the entire playerbase. There are some people that yes, purposely flag certain peoples replies on the forums, and not bother to act without bias. Know why I call that out? Because 2 things: 1) it shows the bias clear as day, and biased people will never be able to have decent discussions, and 2) proves that there are people who act like Funcoms Special Police Force, thinking they are making the world a better place, when they are in fact, doing nothing. Flag a post here and there, yay, a guy might a 24 or 48 hour time out? Then theyre back again. Maybe they earned a permanent ban? New email and new account. People think they are solving a problem, and they arent…so why even bother?
Lie harder. Ive never gone into a thread with the intention of getting it derailed and closed. Not once. Have I gotten into left field discussions that led to them going off topic that eventually got them closed? Sure, but that was never the point of me commenting.
And, since you think that way, and think that way incorrectly, it will lead you, and others to flag my stuff more often because you have a negative opinion of me…so youre being even more biased. Which is fine, do it if you want to, but own it.
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. Combine that with your crusade to blame everything wrong with the pvp servers on the hands of the playerbase while playing the victim card at every opportunity.[/quote]
Once again, lie even harder. Does it make you feel good to lie about others?
Ive never once said every issue with PvP servers is the fault of the player base. I hold the well known opinion that I dont like the rules on PvP, there should only be a small few. I do blame players for reporting land claim issues when they can simply solve theproblem themselves. That job was also easier years ago when we could destroy sandstone with steel. So, I only blame players that run screaming to Funcom for issues they can solve themselves. The rest of the issues I have with PvP is the fault of Funcom, and the changes theyve made since I enjoyed the combat.
I dont care if anyone believes me. Im not here to win hearts and change minds.
PS: You like to claim I purposely derail topics to close them, Id love to point out how I wasnt talking to anyone in this thread, but you usuals had to come and try to ■■■■ on me for no reason. You can thank yourself for running this topic into the mud.
So when I wasnt talking to you, but you came running over to my little corner just to start a conversation that had nothing to do with you is called what?
Ah, so you just wanted to start an off topic conversation for no reason? Sounds like youre trying to get the topic closed by violating the ToS.
Just admit your bias. Codemage did, because hes a better person then you.
If thats how you choose to interpret what I say, thats on you. When I clearly, repeatedly tell you Im not a victim…you are the one trying to make me one.
Im not a victim. I dont care what happens.
No, its an observation thats easily made. And like I said, it was to prove a point…which you proved for me.
I know you see them. I know you know they are violations. I know you know you dont care and post them anyways.
It makes you just the same as the guy that spams 3 grids of foundations on the map. It makes you the same as the guy that runs around server to server reporting things. It makes you the guy who selectively chooses what or who to flag on the forums. Admit. Your. Bias.
Which narrows down whose doing the flagging as well.
Nice deflection when your shown to be wrong. You cant admit to anyone your wrong, and you cant admit your biased.
Except that offensive posts are a violation. And, the minute amount of anything that people get offended by these days is incredible.
The first two years of PvP in Conan had no rules and guess what? It was the best most fun time to play.
And when that system is in place, absolutely zero happens until what? Who? Exactly.
Ok, what part of “I was here already” do you need me to explain to you?
I’d have to scroll back up to see what you are on about and I’m lazy so puck it, sure. If it gives your tummy a little jiggle fine
If I wanted this topic closed, I’d close it.
I don’t have to resort to your tactics.
Is that what you think? Not sure if I want to shed a tear or laugh.
Wrong. The thought you expressed used terms that imply victim hood. I know you do not understand that, and I am truly sorry you don’t.
You do get there is an entire world between all and nothing, right?
Why do you think a grain of sand is a beach or a kernel of corn is a full bin? Because that is what you are saying there, not once but 3 times.
You fail the simplest of logic exercises.
It wasn’t a deflection and I wasn’t wrong.
I have in this thread 3 times.
When ever have I said I wasn’t?
I’m not a reasonable person.
And I’m sure you’re told to think that, rather then maybe the things ARE offensive?
And guess what? That free for all cost the game Ks of players, that is why funcom made the ToC. It’s like warning labels on products, they may sound stupid, but some one has done that and successfully sued.
Some one violates the ToC and a few responsible adult members of the server report them.
I do honestly wonder at your issues with rules, I will continue to maintain you live in some supervised living condition.
You honestly don’t know how sad it is some one has twisted your mind to think that. I have to wonder if you actually understand the term bias.
No one is assuming it, you use language that implies victim hood all the time. I have to wonder where you got it from. I already know you don’t full understand the terms you use. You think you do but prove in using them you don’t.
I only flag violations, not out of any bias for the poster. Believing that is playing the victim.
“I didn’t get flagged for the violation, I got flagged because they are bias against me”.
SCREAMS VICTIM. Why do you not understand that?
“I’ve never driven drunk intending to wreck my car, not once”. Back yard looks like demolishen derby parking lot.
I’m always the victim.
Those are not lies, for god sake learn what an opinions are. You not liking an opinion does not make it a lie, just what kind of fool are you? Or have you been brain washed in to thinking lies are simply opinions you don’t like?
You “came running” away from what you were doing to start another off topic rant. Doesnt matter if you were in this topic already, my first comment and reply to it had zero to do with you. “You came running” and immediately had to interject your thoughts on something not pertaining to you.
So you think this back and forth with me that you started is on topic?
Yes, he admitted to following the rules. You cant, you dont and you wont. That makes him better then you and me on the forums.
Not when discussing the rules. If a rule states “no off topic discussion” and you go of topic, its literally all or nothing, black or white - you broke the rule or you didnt. There is literally no wiggle room. Its like my example of 66 in a 65 I frequently use. 66 is breaking the law, 65 is not. Its that simple.
People have soft skin these days. They cant read something…and ignore it. They have to do something to make themselves feel better about themselves, and telling mommy and daddy is what they do.
No its not. Not even close. It takes a daaaaaamn good game to hold PvP players for more then 2-3 years. There are some games that manage to hold a majority of their PvP players for longer, like Pubg and Rust, and Conan doesnt hold a candle to them PvP wise.
Exactly. Players. Not Funcom.
Its sad your so overeducated you cant see that Im right. People with bias will never apply the rules evenly or fairly. You are the living proof of that, by knowingly breaking forum ToS but not flagging yourself.
Theres the over educated mind failing you again. I honestly dont know how many times I need to repeat it for it to sink into your mind.
And we know thats a buIIsh!t lie. You frequently violate the forum ToS and you dont flag them. (Ill add here before your blood pressure goes too high, Im not saying theres anything wrong by not flagging your own stuff. I dont flag my stuff too, and I know its off topic. But the difference is, I dont run around flagging everything else claiming Im doing a good thing while completely ignoring the fact that Im breaking rules, despite me telling everyone a violation is a violation)
Because heres the thing you dont understand: I dont care if I get flagged. It doesnt, hasnt, and will never bother me at all. Ive never claimed, ever, that my stuff is wrongly flagged. I guarantee you, my posts are flagged moreso because of who I am first, and the content second. Want proof? Look up. I now have a flagged reply to you (I think it was to you), but only one…and none of yours, or Odudas, when all of our replies can be considered off topic. Ask yourself why?
That over educated mind is failing you again.
“Your entire history on this forum alone has been one of complete and utter toxic behavior going from thread to thread with the only intent of derailing it to have it shut down”
Thats a lie.
“Combine that with your crusade to blame everything wrong with the pvp servers on the hands of the playerbase”
Thats also a lie.
You want to call them opinions? Fine. They are wrong. In a very simple comparison, right and wrong can be substituted for truth and lie.
It does when its an accusation. And thats pretty clear what was said.
Yes we get it, you do not have to make it any clearer, there are terms you simply have the wrongness of ingrained in your brain.
Where did I fornicationing say that? Where, just where did I say that, please link to it.
No he admitted to breaking the rules. Once again are there adult reading classes in your area?
Depends on the rules. ADHD I live on a tangent it’s how my head works.
No, more intelligent, better informed, much nicer, but not better.
You say CodeMage is better then you is part of that victim mentality of yours we keep pointing out. No one is better then me, and I am not better then anyone else.
But there is, that is the part you consistently fail to comprehend.
Me poking you in the stomach and me beating you to an unrecognizable bloody pulp are the same, both are assaults. Right?
Me tossing a grain of sand at you is the same as picking up a rock the size of a soft ball and bouncing it off you skull, right?
If the topic is thrall AI, my comment on server load is as off topic as posting how Skrillex’s latest drop is the best music ever recorded the are both equally off topic, right?
Or are they?
Or is that what you have been told to believe? You really do not know do you.
In your daily life in the RL how many people do you encounter that that would describe?
Any?
Oh my Set, we are talking in months not years. Just how long do you think that helter skelter crap went on?
PUBG IS A BATTLE ROYAL oh my fornicating Set your ignorance is going to be my undoing.
And RUST is the best example of the worst of PVP.
Note: pubG is one of my top 5 multiplayers.
This entire argument is now moot. zendek is dead, expect new rules incoming.
But you’re not. I know you are incapable of admitting it, but you are quite wrong.
That isn’t bias. You continue to prove you have no idea what the word means so please carry on.
You can keep repeating still wont be a fact. But hey, what ever it takes to not admit to yourself you might be wrong.
You hear and read it a lot, what do you listen to a lot? Could it be they use a lot of victim hood terms to gain your sympathy with out you even knowing it?
The answer would be yes, that is how information bias works.
Terms are used to invoke a specific emotion or response. The terms used have an inference or a connotation to them. That is how media manipulates you.
So you are using terms you hear a lot, that imply victim hood, with out even knowing it.
No you have to beleive that because it fits you victim narrative. Other wise you would be wrong and that simply isn’t possible.
Once again, an opinion is not a lie, could you please learn this fundamental fact?
You really need to let that bit of absurdity go. it’s turning in to an unhealthy obsession.
And there you go claiming victim again. You just straight up do not see it do you?
“oh woe is me I am just so much a victim of everyones bias”
In a word, pathetic.
Having a better education then you makes me average. Not over educated. I mean it’s just an associates in computer operations. And I didn’t get on the B honer role for 3 years because of one class.
No it’s an informed opinion. You honestly do not know the difference do you?
And that is why a certain party dearly loves you.
I do not know who convinced you in to believing that, but I’m really understanding why you are on the side you’re on.
Are lies always the wrong thing to do? No.
Is everything that is wrong a lie? No.
Are all truths right? No. A truth is only rearguard as a truth till prove otherwise. There for they can’t always be right.
No actually it doesn’t, it just makes it an accusation, nothing more.
And there you go, a lie you have been convinced is a truth by people using informationaly bias terms, depending on you not knowing they are manipulating you with the language they use.
Most free thinking people are well aware fact and truths are not the same thing. And opinions are just opinions.
Thanks, but the kudos are misplaced. “Bias” is not the right word here. Bias would be not flagging my posts out of belief that I did not break the rules, despite doing the same thing that I would flag elsewhere.
What you’re looking for is “double standard” or “hypocrisy”. When I flagged my own posts, it was for two reasons.
One is the belief that it’s the “good deeds” that define “good people”, i.e. people are “good” because they do “good deeds”. I still hold that belief, even though there’s an ever-growing portion of the society that holds the opposite belief, the “Harry Potter” ethics: “good deeds” are “good” because “good people” do them, i.e. the same deed performed by two different people will be judged “good” or “evil” because you believe one of them is a “good person” and the other is “evil”.
The other reason is because I still believed that this here was a community. In my experience, most North Americans seem to use the word “community” as a synonym for a “demographic group”. I was brought up to believe that what distinguishes a community from a group is that the community acts to help its members and preserve the community. For that, a certain degree of community culture is required, a willingness to act in ways that contribute to the common good of the whole community, rather than always acting in one’s self-interest and enshrining freedom and individualism above all other values.
In short, I believed that there was a social contract in place and acted accordingly. When I saw enough evidence of the contrary, I stopped.
I just repeatedly stated that I gave up on doing “the right thing” and adopted the techniques of successful trolls. A better person would have abandoned these forums. Instead, I decided to stay and contribute to the toxicity.
If you want to criticize @DeaconElie’s character, that’s your own business, but don’t misuse me in pursuit of that
Ya but it’s Monday, this wont last long. I believe Tuesday is when the admins come in the do the forum. Probably be then before the bullet I tried to put in this threads head last Thursday hits.
Well no shyte! It doesn’t take more that 1 second of pondering to figure that one out now does it?
one that’s more pvp focused.. but it would be a lot of work.. we’ll see.)
I’m always the victim.
