This is the heart of the issue. Many people on officials forget, or, if I’m being uncharitable, don’t care, that the server is a SHARED space. Making places unbuildable is a sledgehammer approach and won’t solve the root problem of people having little to no empathy or consideration for their fellow exiles.
And before you say it, yes, single player is a place to which you can retreat to avoid all that. However it’s not a multiplayer experience. Despite my antisocial grump tendencies, it is fun to interreact with folks and even be helpful to those who are confused or struggling with learning the game.
So I really get Deacon’s POV on this. But short of more active admins on officials (snowball’s chance on the surface of the sun, I know), there’s not much that will change
I know. I get it and agree. However, I can empathize with @DeaconElie ’ s frustration and why they went to the extreme of suggestion a no build change. I can count on the fingers of a clumsy bandsaw operator the number of players I’ve encountered who share responsibly.
No. You’ve demonstrated that discussion is impossible, because it requires both talking and listening, which is not something one can do when they enter cognitive dissonance.
If someone paves over the whole Oasis, as long as it doesn’t affect server performance (which is probably bad in the first place), and as long as they do not prevent the World Boss from spawning, then there is no issue. That’s all there is to it mate.
Because you haven’t given a single valid reason to make the whole Oasis of Nekhet into a no-build zone, other than “I don’t like it”.
There are two possibilities here. One is that you’re deliberately using the term POI in a way no one else does around here. Everyone who says “POI” means “POI marker”, rather than the region of the map. If that’s the case, then “carving a chunk out of a POI” is exactly the same as “carving a chunk out of the map”.
You shouldn’t suppress the spawn and/or block access to anything unique anywhere on the map, not just near a POI marker. You shouldn’t build something that screws up the server performance anywhere on the map, not just near a POI marker.
The second possibility is that you are talking about the POI marker, rather than the whole region, in which case the expression “carve a chunk out of a POI” is literal nonsense.
So what is it? Oh, yeah, that’s right: you don’t want people to be able to build there, because you don’t like it. Which brings us back to “everyone bow down to my whims” attitude.
No, thanks.
It is just you asking for this. I don’t like people building in Oasis of Nekhet, but I’m not asking for them to be unable to, just because I don’t like it. In fact, I’m fighting for their right to do so, even though I hate it.
Why? Because altering the whole game to cater to someone’s personal tastes is wrong.
Yeah, I think this is my whole issue with this stance is that the marker itself shouldn’t be blocked. People should be able to unlock it.
But by turning the entire region into a no-build zone, you severely impact everyone’s ability to enjoy this space in a way they find fitting.
Yes, single player can get around this by turning off these settings but it’s an all or nothing thing which would impact private servers. By turning on allow building anywhere because maybe that server doesn’t mind such builds in the Oasis(or any other spot Deacon thinks should be no-build which seem to be numerous) they open up to every non-buildable spot being opened, like Sepermeru itself. It’s not a selective pick-and-choose menu.
Sometimes you have to think past your own personal preferences to realize the impact of what you want on the many, even in instances that might not apply to you.
POI means point of interest, and Nekhet is marked as one. Now what we are arguing about is how much acreage around that marker is the point of interest. It’s not just the exact sized area as the icon on the map, that is absurd. When i look at a map of the great red wood forset I don’t think the only part that is the forest is the tress under the lettering on the a map.
Is the volcano limited to that little icon shape on the map? Or is it not a POI?
Agree but just because some one shouldn’t doesn’t mean they wont if they can.
It’s not a whim, you using it as a descriptor here makes me wonder if you know what it means. Yo know my opinion here is neither new, nor just mine. You trying to play it off like it is is just disingenuous. YOU don’t like it either, and have said as much.
You know it’s not just me why post like you think it is?
And how is paving over it NOT impacting everyone’s ability to enjoy it?
I’m not thinking of just me, I’m thinking of any one that goes to the forest but can’t see the trees for the parking lots and condos.
Again, you’re fixated on official servers and, particularly the one you play on. You refuse to move servers, you don’t want to play in single player, and you can’t consider how the changes you propose affect people elsewhere.
While you don’t have to move or play alone, at least consider the consequences beyond your narrow experience.
But it’s ok for people to not care about how their over builds on a POI affect others game play, gottcha.
Tolerance is why most PVE servers are in the shape they are in.
Most all public servers are the same. What point would there be to moving to a different one? If everyone did that you’d have a mass of transients moving from server to server with out the issues that cause them to want to move on being solved.
Playing single player is too much like… other things you do alone.
And private servers tend to be great for a…
The issue here is the urban spawl we call PVE officials and why is the oasis some special place that needs to be saved vs all the others spots? If we go down that road, then all spots need to be regulated and we are no different than an HOA.
I’ve already agreed that it’s unsightly and why I don’t play on officials. But making it an entire no build zone just for that isn’t good enough reason.
I could say the same thing about the Highlands. I find them beautiful, particularly the area around the aqueduct. But does that mean the entire area should be no build because it looks better wild and empty? No.
Tturning entire sections of the map into blocked areas is not the answer. If you don’t like something in public spaces BECAUSE OF YOUR PREFERENCES, you don’t ask your public officials to outlaw it. You either deal with it or go elsewhere. The same should be said about the official forums. Like it or not, there will be people building ways you don’t like, in places you don’t like, wearing stuff you don’t like, or behaving in ways you don’t like.
I don’t understand your aversion to private servers but I honestly think you, of all people, would have a vastly improved experience if you could find some like-minded people to share a space with.
I don’t think that is @DeaconElie 's point. I don’t mean to speak for them, but my take away is that the oasis is just an example of places that are paved over or over built by players without much thought to the resources or scenery that is lost, and the impact to their fellow players, when they do so. My impression is that it’s just the example that set them off.
I do not in this case. Because if I would follow that logic of yours I would have to demand the whole map except my own spot to be a no building zone because I do not like people building their bases everywhere.
But the thing is, I either like playing with other people and therefore share the map with others and accept their building spot choice or I do not. I do not have the right to go to any server and demand people to build the way I personally like it. Then I have to either play SP or rent my own server and make my own rules.
There are enough server around where people can choose what fits them best. If I do not like Rp I do not join an RP server and complain about RP beeing done.
This isn’t a themepark game, but a sandbox. And when talking about changes that have ramifications outside of a single instance on a single server, then one needs to heavily consider switching servers, using mods, or playing in singleplayer.
The OP wants to play one way, and anyone who plays with him needs to play that way as well. That is a great candidate for them making their own server.
Otherwise, I can come on here and say no build zone all of Exiled Lands and Siptah because -I- like how they look and -I- want to be able to login and look around and enjoy it in -MY- way. Anyone else is utterly wrong and has no clue what they are talking about. No one gets to build anything unless I approve of it. That’s not how this game is supposed to be.
