Greetings,
i noticed that after december update when you build “Stable Fence Gate Frame (Pillars)”, you can’t any longer build Lattice Wall or any other style Fence or any other style wall between them. Is this planned change?
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I would assume they corrected the issue with it since these were used to perform an exploit that could affect any multiplayer server.
And I just realized something I hadn’t considered… not only was it used to exploit but a purge hitting a base with these techniques could cause the same, although unwitting, consequences
What kind of exploit may I ask? Of course no details, but can you “safely” elaborate? I’m asking since I used a lot of that kind of constructions, purely to make them look better - for example pillar inside doorframe to look lik huge window. Didn’t know that this is unsafe? Btw this is still doable with for example turanian arch (from bazaar).
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I too have experienced this change. My whole build is layered and now I can’t fix/rework/add to, etc. What’s up with this change? The smaller Stable Fence Gate Frame seems to work still. Also, the Aesir Support Frame doesn’t work the same today as it did yesterday. I assume part of the same “fix”?
Edit: The smaller gate frame “works” but only with some other components. Door frames replace it now rather than allow a layered look.
Performance instability
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Every major designer I follow (Eradication, Wak, Barton) uses the same techniques and has for a couple of years. Never heard anything about layering impacting stability or performance.
I don’t run a public server, though, so that experience might be vastly different from mine.
Sorry I’m still being vague… I can’t test to see if the problem is still there but I am confident based on others that it is addressed.
It isn’t something Erad or Wak would necessarily know unless they discovered it or they were told, and definitely something they would not have shared for the purposeful end result.
I saw dozens of videos (f.e. Barden I mentioned earlier) and that stacking was very common, just to enhance building capabilities and improve look, but didn’t know it affects server stability. Tbh I have bigger problems (gpu fry and radiators going crazy) around huge/decorated/lighted bases than those with stable gate trick stacking, but you learn new things everyday I guess, nor I’m in a postition to undermine Kiki expertise in the matter. Still it would be a shame to loose that building possibility (think Turanian and other still available sets will be fixed sooner or later).
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I cannot speak on whether or not using the building technique causes a constant performance instability, it is possible on a small level although, as we know, builds themselves don’t normally cause performance related issues.
So I should clarify: the problem is based on specific actions, not as a baseline.
Ok, thank You for clarification. Since I just started (again) on official, I will try to use this to lesser extent, yet I cannot force myself to abandon this technique, because regular building pieces are so…regular 
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I’d say go ahead and continue as normal, the other building pieces afaik were tested and can’t accomplish the same problem
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And I was worried about server performance… “castle” and it’s surroundings occupy whole C10, C11 and nearly whole B11, full of lamps/torches, pavemanents, poison ivy etc…
1038 EU PVE-C
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Wow! That looks amazing @Lord_to_Bsilent
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Hands down, this is really something! I adore (and envy) you, dear Sir.
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Awesome build, even from screenshoot i can feel its vibe.
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But back to topic, that classic Stable Fence Gate Frame (Pillars) + Lattice Wall combo used for nice tower spires, gazebos or covered balconies are no longer in use. That combo mostly was for nice visual effect than exploit. 
It seems the whole affair is a half baked attempt to mitigate an issue without adressing the real problem. Here’s some further investigation:
From left to right:
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Turan wall arch, then stable fence, then doorway of choice, works. Try lattice fence instead the fence replaces the wall arch or doorway.
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Same, with lattice door frame
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This is not stable fence (pillar) but Stable fence gate frame (pillars) plus stable fence. Try lattice fence instead and the pillars get replaced as in example one described
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and this is what you get when you try to replace any fence part of the example one technique with lattice fence: doorway gone, two fences superimposed.
Im super impressed.
This needs some further work!
It’s true that exploits helped a bit your build to look amazing, but such a talent can still do wonders without exploits i believe.
Keep building fellow exile and inspire the rest. I am pretty sure that Era and Barden would Envy your talent m8 , congrats!
As for our beloved Wak ,he never claimed,asked or deserved master builder honors. Waks specialty was the whole game in general and not just building.
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