The pros and cons of the Conan cash shop, from the viewpoint of an admitted game whale

Not based on my made up word. Try the Creative Directors word.

PS. I don’t agree with the title. It’s a great game :grin:

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So I looked at the article.

There is one spot that mentions money there. Its talking about how it made up its 4.5 million budget in one week. This isn’t talking about DLC this is talking about the game in general.

There is no mention in the article about DLCs. Clicking the link on “as detailed in its recent financials”
we see:

Now this makes me pause and look at the dates on the articles you posted:
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Its from a writer and was published in 2017. Well before any DLC.

There is nothing here about the DLCs making them millions of dollars and saving the company to draw the conclusion that the dlc price was adequate and correctly priced. It is an article that states that Conan was an unexpected boon to the company and made them more money than they expected, but thats talking about the base game.

Conan Exiles was released:
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Which dates this article as having been written and published five weeks after initial release.

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You said screaming, and now a fit… don’t see it.
Your trying put stuff in conversation that aren’t there.

If the Word “Foolish” is to hardcore for you, I would suggest staying off internet and hiding inside.

I was using word stupid, morons, *******, r-words before. But felt they were abit to harsh and looked up some “lesser” more nice words.

aka Foolish.

OR… your not offended by it at all, and just grasping at reason to argue at my post.

Thats abit scary.

But hey, if your on that said of the fence…rrrrrrrr…good for you?

But hey, I’m not on that side of fence, and don’t like what there doing and being vocal about it.
I have zero Moderations, for my wording…

I’m pretty sure I’m being reasonable with vocalizing my dislike of it.

Thats not what I meant.

I meant, you can look at pricing they had, versus pricing of new system. And clearly see a major change/issue.

If you start compare it outside of CE. It just as clear issue. My point was you didnt have to…
No reason to compare it to Fornite, CoD, Minecraft/Fallout 76 etc.

Do not fool yourself into thinking your words bother me. But this equally childish response defending your previous childish response sums things up quite nicely.

But since we are being blunt. Nobody, absolutely nobody, cares at all about your opinion on the prices or offerings in the cash shop.

The only reason I even bothered responding to you is because you were essentially demanding respect for your position on the issue, while being openly disrespectful towards others.

Tell that to the shareholders.

But money is always a touchy topic.
Not for everyone, but throw business ethics onto the table, especially in the last decade or so, and out comes the knives.
This is how one creates a mountain range, find a mole hill, and use it as a microcosm for a pervasive topic of great emotion.

But on to the DLC.
This one always thought the release schedule for the DLC was far too scattered to be sustainable. The years with 4 seemed good, but a single release in a year… Where is the money coming from?
Also, the cost of the Culture Pack DLCs was very good. Very inexpensive for what they are.
Also, the format was extremely good. Everything one needs to play with a Lego set devoted to one’s favourite Hyborean culture. With few exceptions (Glares at the misnamed Derketo set and a few missing build pieces), excellent all around. This one could go on at length.
But to the point.
For the DLC pack system to be sustainable, it would need to have released on a regular basis and probably seen a bump in price to acknowledge the general trend in costs around the portion of the world that buys video games and reads Howard.

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Strawman argument :rofl: There is also a word for what you wrote, it’s called ‘annoying’ :grin:

You poked holes in everything that i wrote (only because i didn’t include full evidence. Are we in court? :rofl:) only to agree with me in your second to last paragraph that you didn’t find some items in the store “good enough value”.

I am pretty sure that one source for the DLC profits was mentioned by jade plays games. I have seen many more examples over the years.

Also it is fairly logical to assume that if the game made x amount of £/$ then the full set of DLC’s that were priced at approx. £8 each would have made more.

Stating my opinion without full evidence for someone who doesn’t objectively do their homework does not make me a liar as you have implied.

Yes well people that post lies and myths and claim them as facts to base their arguments on are equally annoying to me.

“Stating my opinion without full evidence for someone who doesn’t objectively do their homework does not make me a liar as you have implied.”

You quite clearly made the statement that the DLC made the company millions and saved them so the price of the previous DLC was proven to be adequate. That was in no form presented by you as an opinion, it was presented as a statement of fact. Had you said “I think that the prices were reasonable before” would not have gotten a response from me, because thats an obvious opinion. Saying “I feel that the company made more than enough from their past DLC so feel the price is ok” likely would have elicited a response simply because you don’t have that data but are using it as a basis to form a value-judgement on but it would have been an entirely different response.

I am pretty sure that if those things exist that you could find them since you are the one asserting that it made millions as a fact :slight_smile: I am pretty sure that no one from Funcom or Tencent revealed how much their DLCs made ever. I’m sure you read from people LIKE YOU that claim these things as facts that it was true that they made millions off of DLC, but I am also 100% sure that the source of those comments was not from anyone that had any real data.

Thats how debates work. If you post something as a factual statement, you better have the receipts to back up the statement. No matter how much you may find that to be annoying. And not articles written by people that have no actual data, but the actual data.

And if there was actual funcom data out in the wild showcasing how much their DLC made, then it would benefit all of us for you to share it with us instead of vague/deflection about how you have read it “somewhere many times over the years”.

If I posted little Timmy’s blog post or “news article” from 2019 stating that the conan exiles DLC made Funcom go broke because someone at Funcom told him it was too cheap, would you or anyone on here actually take that seriously? That one takes about a second to answer so don’t think too hard on it.

You could say “Here’s the evidence” and post a link to Little Timmy’s blog, and 99 % of people would never bother to click the article to check it out, they’d just take your word at face value. Some simply trust that you wouldn’t link an article that isn’t relevant, and others don’t care about the concept of evidence in the first place. It’s rather troubling how often people just say stuff and, when challenged, reply that it’s not their responsibility to prove anything they say. It’s as if everything is just a matter of opinion.

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Spot on.

Ok based on your own methodology prove that i am a liar and Funcom didn’t make millions. Oh wait a minute you cannot because you will be wrong.

Do you seriously believe that in this day and age a games manufacturer would exist if the didn’t make millions. How would they afford to pay all their overheads and wages? Time to wake up pal.

Well to be fair “make millions” is kinda irrelevant. I work for a company that if they only made a billion would have to shut down.

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I admire your ability to double and triple down on your weak debate skills.

I never said that you are a liar because Funcom didn’t make millions.

I specifically contested this:

How can people say the old (Nerfed) DLC’s were under priced? These DLC’s made millions and rescued the company. Therefore that would suggest that the DLC’s were correctly priced.

You failed to prove that statement, and now you want me to prove you are a liar.

Which isn’t how debates work. The person stating the factual statement is responsible for having the receipts to back up the things their mouth (fingers) say.

You asked a very specific question. How can people say the old DLCs were under priced. You then go on to state "these DLC’s made MILLIONS and RESCUED the company. You then summarize THEREFORE that would suggest that the DLCs were CORRECTLY PRICED.

An astounding display of logic and reasoning. Giving you the benefit of the doubt I inquired your source. To whit you gave an article posted 5 weeks after the release of the game which said nothing about DLCs.

Then you began doubling and tripling down on your very bad very poor very illogical post.

Also - I’ve been in the game dev industry for probably longer than you have been alive. There are many games manufacturers that exist that don’t make millions. Thats just an aside though. You however have identified the very torpedo that sunk your first statement of old DLC making millions and being correctly priced. It wasn’t making enough money for their publisher.

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You failed to prove that statement, and now you want me to prove you are a liar.

Yes i do want you to prove me a liar, you want me to add proof of everything. Definition of a liar ‘someone who deliberately misleads someone’ i just stated facts that i didn’t convince you of. You say it didn’t make millions, now prove it, oh wait you cannot.

How a real debate works is that someone makes a statement and then if they don’t have the evidence to back it up (this was over many years) the challenger presents their evidence to prove that the statement is incorrect. The challenger does not automatically win and everything that they say becomes true as you imply just because the original statement wasn’t fully backed up by evidence. This is how UK law works. If a defendant cannot prove their innocence then the prosecution has to prove their guilt.

I’ve been in the game dev industry for probably longer than you have been alive.

It’s a good job that you said probably as that would have made you old :rofl:. But at least now it becomes clear that you are just trying to protect the micro transaction industry that you are part of :rofl::unamused:.

Anyway, not sure why you are trying to make this discussion out to be about me and you when it is NOT.

Sorry to offing here, but holy hell, 1 000 000 000 000 is a LOT!
(Or is it the non-correct billion? A milliard? I’m always confused when I see the term “billion” :laughing: )

If a business has, say, 100k employees, assuming they are all paupers at 2k/month, that’s 200,000,000/month…
Oh wait, it’s not. Taxes and other fees frequently raise actual payroll cost to half again salary…
So 300M/Month.
12 months in a year and payroll alone is clocking in at 3.6B.
For a moderately large corporation with all staff conscribed to effective poverty.

This is based on U.S. numbers, mind you.
In other nations with higher expected pay and much higher cost/employee as figured against salary, this gets much larger much faster.

This is before we begin paying for materials, rent, processing fees, tariffs, taxes (other than payroll) ect ect ect.

Amazon employs over a million people.
Many auto manufacturers run in the 100k-200k range.
Likewise for fast food chains.
Oil companies often run in the 50k-100k range.
LEGO has about 25k.

Now, Funcom is more in the 200-300 employee range, so the billion would be more significant for them, before Tencent acquired them. Tencent has 100k+ employees. But that doesn’t necessarily include wholely owned subsidiaries and they have many other revenue sources.
And we aren’t talking about Funcom in specific, but rather a company someone else worked for.

TLDR;
A Billion $ is a lot of money for a person.
Not so much for a medium to large corporation.

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You say you stated facts. The problem is, we cannot know whether they’re facts because you didn’t produce any evidence beyond the Stetson-Harrison method. It’s just as possible that you have misinterpreted something because we cannot double-check your sources to verify your claim. I don’t know who you are, so I have no way to assess your credibility as a source.

And if you don’t have other sources, we cannot confirm your “facts”, and thus it is only responsible to not consider them facts at all, until proven otherwise.

If you want people to believe you - if you want to convince people that you’re right - you need to be prepared to do more than “because I say so”.