Not without wearing Slaveforged Sacrificial armor. “Get the Gimp”
SMH…I Know!..SMH. But come on! Charisma boosting does what again?!
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Sad fact is a lot of those “youngsters” are probably old enough to be daddies themselves.
In any event, it’s still best to default to being friendly. You may not be able to make everybody civil players, but treating everybody like crap when you first meet them won’t make anybody civil.
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I learned lots for the clan that raided me. They took everything except 24 leather and 4 twine. I told them “Watch out!. They left me exactly what I needed for revenge”…after that laugh we were all good.
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LOL - tru dat!
Of course… and that more often than not means putting a sock in it! 
Probably can’t make anyone into a civil player. Trying will only create resentment as should be obvious.
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Actually the Slavery and Subjugation topic is important and I’m for one relieved someone finally brought it up. By now I feel like an absolute monster talking casually about slaving, and this is a great declaration of facts and Statuary Cromulence.
As pertains to this coming influx for some, the server Dro is talking about was in a fairly friendly torpor for some time. There was a low-level Romanian streamer who’d landed there, and then a whole fistful of young players came on.
The risk is like they say in No Country For Old Men you put your heart at hazard – not when you start caring, but rather when you give up so much as an inch of supremacy. The tightrope is trying to cultivate some good blood, young and vibrant fighters, while repelling the riffraff.
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Why? People have been jerks to eachother for over 10,000 years. I know it’s a sensitive topic but there is no reason why any of us should feel guilt or ashamed unless you support it. There were lots of historic practices that we shun today (and rightfully so). We should look at the past as a measure of what used to be and what not to create in the future. We should also take it as a warning that we are basically the same people that didn’t see a problem with these evil acts…so never assume we are “evolved” past that. The minute you devalue a human life regardless your justification, is the minute you should realize we haven’t “evolved” at all.
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Pertinent topic came up earlier in fact, on the server. In the form of a thought experiment, I considered how Kathy Ireland would feel if I leered over a thrall that I thought looked like her. To then bonk and train a Kathy Ireland would be in fact, distasteful to me, and in that sense what I felt was “tossing it about” in a casual way. That’s why I think it’s a topic worth exploring, especially if this thread catches eyes of new players. I think such open discussion acquits all Exiles.
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And having an open discussion is the best way to get to the meat with these sorts of things. Now the question here is does what we do in the game affect how we are in the real world? Your concern is the same that believe video game violence desensitizes people to believe morally abhorrent behavior that is portrayed in videoa games is likely to be accepted by those that are exposed to it. I personally don’t play GTA just for their sexists portrayal of how to treat females. I got two daughters that loved being around their daddy and I’ll be d@mned if they learnanything how boyfriends should behave from that game series. That doesn’t mean that I think it should be banned or anything but I’m not willing to even remotely have my girls cheering for hooker abuse. But the conversations have been had over it and that is why I think it’s good to bring it up. I think if you feel sort of icky when doing stuff like adding to a wheel of pain…that is a good thing and we should have open discussions about it.
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Not that i like to go down that road (insert South Park impersonation from Pet Cemetery) I’m Maine born and raised but ancestral French Canadian by 2 generations on both sides paternally. The Lincoln, Maine Ku Klux Klan is very interesting to learn up on, if anyone is interested. Their main target, was French-Canadian and Irish Catholics.
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To tag on to this, at least for my family’s history on the east coast of the US, it wasn’t racially segregated but religious segregation. Roman Catholic’s were treated very poorly.
Wow…considering FC bloodlines are older than English colonist bloodlines in NA, it just goes to show it isn’t about race but about internal hatred fueled by anger of themselves…they just need something external to push that negativity on.
Sarcasm or genuine? I like to ask because text does not convey human emotions
The answer is quite simple. It’s a video game. Doing things you can’t or wouldn’t do IRL is kind of the point. In fact, that’s how most storytelling entertainment works. There’s no reason to feel guilty unless you’re taking it to real creepozoid level like renaming the NPC Kathy Ireland, talking about her as Kathy Ireland, fantasizing about her really being Kathy Ireland, etc.
Now there are some sick people out there who can’t tell the difference between video games (or movies or whatever) and reality, as evidenced by the fact that voice actors have received credible death threats for things the character they portrayed did. But 99.999% of people fully understand that things that are ok in video games may not be ok IRL and are more than capable of handling that distinction.
That said, there’s also nothing particularly wrong with feeling uncomfortable with certain imagery. @erjoh mentioned not wanting to play GTA because he doesn’t want his daughters exposed to the way women are portrayed. I’m not as bothered by that, or more precisely just not enough to not want to play, probably in part because I don’t have daughters that could be exposed to it. But I was turned off from the game when I was looking into it and watched gameplay video of the characters spewing the N word about three hundred times in the first five minutes of the game. It may have killed my personal desire to play the game, but like @erjoh I too don’t believe it should be banned or anything like that.
Genuine because I firmly believe most racism is just redirected self hatred that ego will not allow…‘it’s “their” fault, I’m in this position’
And they can’t go with the old ‘we were here first’. Not with French Canadians or Native Americans anyways
That’s Mr Creepozoid to you
People find all kinds of silly and stupid reasons to go tribal. (Tribal as in behavioral patterns, not referencing any particular group.) I’ve actually met some people who would treat others different just because they attended the same church in the same building but in a different time slot. As if listening to the preacher in the morning somehow made you more righteous than if you listened to the same preacher in the afternoon. 
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Hello Mr Creepozoid. Have you met my friend Freakazoid?
This is a thing, although small. The morning church goers sometimes act higher than thou when it comes to the evening crowd. I believe they think because they were there earlier in the day, that somehow makes them better. Yet, evening hours are there for a reason, because people work… get this… odd hours. So they cant make the 9am service.
Interesting observation ive noticed both being Catholic and working in the food industry: the after Church crowd elders can be some of the most rude people I’ve ever served in my time of hospitality. They came straight from church and ripped my head off that the buffet tray of smothered pork hasn’t been filled in the 3 mins since it was emptied. I prayed for them grandmas so hard.
I also reminded myself that these old people lived through the Great Depression and probably seen things i could never imagine and i forgive them.
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He was in his 30’s and married, he said as much in chat.
Although I am old enough to be, I was just trying to be a friend.
eg I replaced things he lost through his stupidity, and told him easier faster ways to get steel
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1813 - Argentina
1814 - Colombia
1823 - Chile
1824 - Central America
1829 - Mexico
1831 - Bolivia
1833 - Britain
1842 - Uruguay
1848 - French and Danish Colonies
1851 - Ecuador
1854 - Peru And Venezuela
1863 - Emancipation Proclamation U.S.
1863 - Dutch Colonies
1865 - Finally Abolished in the U.S. at the End of the Civil War.
Not even top ten in the 19th century.