You dont need to be “expert experienced” Conan exiles enemy are VERY easy to kill
you can check youtube and see expert players killing bosses naked.
Any new no-experienced player will find crocodiles hyenas wolfs and even dafaris and black hand EASY enogh to kill if you are having dificult to kill or evade any of this enemys you are the problem.
I dont see any player crying or talking “the north is hard” in oposite way most of old player are asking to make this hard , you might didnt played conan in the begin so you didnt know HOW EASY the game is now.
In short you learn how to dodge , light atack , block , heavy atack and heal in 10min.
You learn how to avoid group enemys and big enemys you can run and pass for almost all enemys in this game and even using enemys versus enemys like luring spiders in camps or crocodiles.
Like i already talked the problem isnt Arco advice sincd he giving a huge advice the problem maybe is you because you are the ONLY one asking to change it because you find out hard enogh going north.
AGAIN its one useless waste of time thread because funcom wont will waste they time changing something is correct and we have many other things to be fixed.
Perhaps you’re soapboxing for someone else who did that.
Does that make you a shepherd of the sheep?
Why did you spend “countless hours” finding out the hard way that taking Arcos’ advice wasn’t such a good idea?
Sometimes, the shame of embarrassment comes out of realizing you have embarrassed yourself.
Is that a reason to have a suggestion removed from the game?
Then again, when did you perceive his commentary as guidance?
Surely, it must have been during your early days.
My issue is that you’re proposing Funcom change dialogue to suit a minority that experienced your situation and when you came against pushback from other players you got all salty. Aside from 2 people, 1 that is notoriously rude overall and another that poked you a bit, no one else has been rude to you.
You’ve brought your rationale and it has been disagreed with and agreed with to varying degrees.
How many times did you attempt going up North? It perplexes me.
He encourages you to go north. Dangerous advice. Good for giving players motivation and teaching them the game. Fits superbly into the setting and ambiance. End of argument.
Ooh, I like this kind of “discussion”
That will be conveniently ignored. See, this is simple: @Boulderkin is right, everyone else is wrong. That’s how things work
Kind of hard to wrap my head about your ponderings and platitudes, you are saying I am embarrassed because years ago I followed a specific and clear direction from and NPC and spent a lot of time trying to get north from various directions to the “Cities of Exiles” afore mentioned? To a new player this sounds like the place they are supposed to go, a starter zone of sorts, and there are too many possible ways one could attempt to get to the “cities” in the north, from the swamp to the aqueduct. I of course did not take off running right after being sent, but it did take time for me to realize the north was for folk with the resources to be there, and Arcos was just an outdated NPC from a previous build where likely New Asgard was not hostile and it was in deed a city for exiles, but who knows.
No; I created a new character recently and encountered the same NPC and it irked me that said NPC is still telling people to go north; which is obviously not what a fresh player should do.
You are right, I am soapboxing for someone else: all the folk that get this outdated yet very clear direction as to where to go to where exiles go: their “cities”.
As for embarrassment, yes, it is embarrassing for me to have my game leave outdated NPCs in the game; it is embarrassing to have Conan twitching in the worst standing loop I’ve seen in a game at Sepermeru, it’s shameful how corpses remain fixed in the air, and I could go on and on. That is why I post these thoughts; not for me, I have over 4k hours in the game and don’t have much of a problem sweeping through the content, so if you want to view my point through a Sigmund Freudian lens, yes, it is shame.
Considering how bad this advice is, it fits superbly into inducing a player to head north, and have to endure hours of grief and lost precious playtime that could have been used learning the game, weapons, systems, etc. You are celebrating a character that by all rights should have been removed or fixed when they change the map, you are encouraging people to go sensessly die until they realize it is not where they are supposed to go; there are many things to know and do before attempting to go north, and I am certain you know this; so why do you cheer for an NPC that sends you north? It is not like you have other NPCs telling you otherwise so you can make an educated choice; it is a straightforward direction, and, as much confetti you throw up in the air, at the end of the argument, it is the worse advice you can get in the game, one does not head north after speaking to Arcos, one will die repeatedly, not to mention time lost in multiple recovery attempts that could have been prevented just by removing that one sentence.
That is why I posted this, and that is why I defend my points, regardless of your colorful remarks.
As for the ad-hominem, that is the recourse of someone who has a weak argument
Where have I been rude? Please post an example so I can understand your concept of rude. I know damn well FUNCOM is not going to fix squat, that would be a stupid thought; yet why should I shut up and take it? Why can’t a player bring up an issue that is clearly out of place and misleading, regardless of the chances of it being fixed? Why can’t I speak out, it is perplexing how you criticize me for stating a fact and trying to warn other players? I will keep on bringing up issues, regardless of FUNCOM, like Conan frigging twitching like a freak in the bar, and I will speak bluntly, and respond to mockery with saltiness. Maybe you should skip my posts, you are always offended by them.
Consequently, there is a lot of space between the swamps and the broken aqueduct, and yes, it took me a while looking for a viable route north, time I should have spent learning, progressing, enduring… surviving.
This right here is the crux of this discussion. You claim that it is “of no import” that “players can always do what they wish”. You ascribe a certain behavior to all new players and request changes based on that.
Here’s the problem with it: there’s absolutely no reason to believe that all, or even majority of new players will behave the way you claim they will.
This whole discussion hinges around your insistence that new players will “endure hours of grief and lost precious playtime”, and everyone else has tried to explain to you, with varying degrees of politeness, that this is your experience and not necessarily generalized to every new player.
So, since you value bluntness, let me put it bluntly: just because you wasted hours on something that was clearly beyond you at that point, instead of learning the lesson the game was trying to teach you, it doesn’t mean that everyone will play as badly as you did.
Yes, I am. Not only that, I’m saying that I believe the majority will react sensibly and realize they’re overmatched, instead of spending hours and hours and hours. And the minority who don’t will be taught a lesson that will stick with them even after they’ve accumulated 4k hours in the game.
Again, if you’re dressed in coarse wrappings made out of raw plant fiber, wielding a “sword” made by tying some sharp rocks to a branch with some twine, and you spend hours on multiple attempts to recover that, you needed someone like Arcos to set you up to learn to play smart.
Seriously, there’s no kinder way to put it: you made a mistake, doubled down on it, lost hours, and stayed salty about it afterwards. That’s you, not everyone.
And if it’s not you, if you’re doing this on someone else’s behalf, the same applies to them.
The ad-hominem is only a fallacy if it’s irrelevant. In this case it was very relevant, because it describes your attitude here. You pretend you care about “discussing” this, but it’s clear you’re here to assert your own opinion as a fact and ignore everything else.
My god, this is a simple issue: an outdated NPC that should not be there because the map changed, gives you very bad advice. That is my position, and saying I am right and everyone is wrong is a fallacy, I am wide open to intelligent rebuttals, this way I learn and thank the person. You, instead, cheer for an out of place NPC that encourages you to waste your time trying to get to the exiled “cities”, how impossibly ridiculous is that? You don’t learn by dying at a place you should not be, you learn by preparing, enduring, understanding patterns of attack from the creatures, and having a fair shot at surviving, which is the entire point of survival games. You lobby for fresh players to die and be frustrated; I lobby for players to have a fair shot.
What do you wish me to do, not respond? Responding coherently isn’t belligerence, it’s called sapience.
I do. That’s what I keep telling you. And I’m not the only one who told you that, although I might have been the most direct so far.
I “lobby” for incautious fresh players to die because they lack caution. Any frustration they experience will come from being unable to recognize quickly that they’re overmatched and should adapt.
I “lobby” for discouraging reckless players from staying reckless. I “lobby” for forcing stubborn players to learn to adapt.
There is no such thing as a “fair shot” in Exiled Lands. As soon as a new player reaches the newbie river, they get attacked by imps, shalebacks, crocodiles, and even other exiles. That’s why I keep saying Arcos and his dangerous advice fit the setting.
Whereas you keep using one line of dialog as some kind of proof that all newbies will immediately run north willy-nilly and then spend hours on end dying to get their rags and sticks back.
Perhaps acknowledge your personal bias, instead of baldly asserting you’re right.
Implying that others can’t recognize sapience is belligerence. So is implying that carefully thought out and worded rebuttals aren’t intelligent just because you don’t agree. Doing it in the same thread where you complain about ad-hominems is hypocrisy.
I tried to show how wrong you are and because it i posted here you have 4k hours in this game and still didnt learned how the north is much more easy for any new player advance in the game with the huge amount of loot and resourses they can find in the way and avoiding the sandstorm.
I never found someone was having problems to reach in the north or find the north hard you are the first one.
most players i have found make they life much more easy in the north also the best way to farm iron and get steel for new players are in the north and for you knowledge i play this game since the first day and yes i play in official servers both pve and pvp and never havd found someone with problems to reach the north.
Most people in this thread are trying to show for you how wrong you more you still think you are the correct guy and everyone is wrong
Its useless trying to show something to you and its useless this thread since funcom wont will change one correct advice from Arcos
but if think you are the big correct guy why dont you make a poll and check how many people agree with you…
I don’t understand ! , you complain to die in a loop while trying to recruit your things to leave on your body in a more powerful NPC camp than you !! But who does that? .
A person supposed to Ferras quite the opposite! “I don’t have the level, the equipment, the experience, I would come back later” .
In the old RPG when you faced a powerful enemy and that it re -re -made you in your place, you will do something else to learn to play, to master the supplies of the gameplay, the placement and the paterns of the boss or the 'Opponent who had previously defeated you.
All the experiences are lessons that we do not forget (which does not kill you makes you stronger). Go north! Ok if from the first minutes you die in the face of a Landa opponent, don’t insist! Ameliore you personally, his equipment, learn which buffs used and when used, make sure you are potions and when you esyt ready: So you can Hope to survive by going to the north.
Now if you are stupid or Revchard to insist in front of a more powerful opponent than you without preparations, equipment and conassion of the subtlety of the game and the univer of this one, the fault comes back to you.
He he he, I will gladly do that when presented with solid evidence; you keep calling me biased; please explain my bias and why I say everybody is wrong concerning this instance? Show me ONE good reason there is a character at the very beginning of a game that tells you to go north. Color? HA!, more like a leftover from previous builds.
Your argument hinges on celebrating a character that is from a previous build and encourages you to go to the exile cities in the north. I will end this argument here, you are simply unable to argue intelligently and pretend to know the answer to everything. You keep attacking blatantly the people that shatter your precious magic mirror of a forum sage, and have the gall to call me a hypocrite, how ironic, yet not unexpected.
I will, when I don’t have a valid point to defend.
The carefully thought out and worded rebuttals are incorrect, hence, not sentient. You maybe able to recognize sapience (maybe), yet you spend countless words celebrating what is obviously lazy coding on the part of FUNCOM, leaving Arcos as was before the cvhange. Stop for a moment and think about the sapience of that. Mind effing blowing.
No, that pivot won’t fly when you have Arcos, you grow as you have the chance to learn something, besides X monster kills me instantly.
Sure, there is a way to have a fair shot: Not going north at start.
Ok,let me explain so you understand. At the beginning of the game, the first NPC you are likely to encounter is Arcos. One of the first things he tells you is “Another new one, eh? I can smell it on you. Veterans tend to smell just a little more like despair. I’m Arcos, once a sailor, now a wanderer. You didn’t think you were the only one, did you? Hah! You should go north; there’s whole cities of Exiles up there”.
Whole cities of exiles, up north, this was when the map was a different build. Arcos is a fluke, a leftover from that previous build. However, the advice of going north to the Cities of Exiles sounds rather encouraging. I can only speak for myself, but I spent a lot of hours looking for the viable path to the cities in the north, and there is quite a wide area between the broken aqueduct and the swamp biome, a lot of paths I could try to get north. Because of this outdated and downright horrible encouragement, I ended up in situations where I died in a place where my body was irrecoverable, being naked and the camp fully respawned. Repeated attempts to salvage my body without avail made for very many hours of wasted playtime where I learned nothing other than how to let go of my seething anger, all because of Arcos. Soon enough I learned the ways of the game through actual gameplay, and went on on my merry way; but never forgot how pissed off I was at this idiot telling me there are whole cities of exiles up north (Which sounds like a starter place for new players and a social hub, btw). Arcos gives you deadly advice, do not follow it. That is the epicenter of my argument.
Most people in this forum know that what you are implying entails a level of knowledge and experience in a player. Clueless new folk do not have that luxury. To show me how wrong I am, invite a friend or relative to try out the game, and without saying a word, watch what they do after speaking with Arcos.
As you can see, there have been plenty of instances where I pointed out your bias. You have your own specific convictions about how new players will behave and you act like everyone who disagrees with them is wrong.
Yeah, I was about to repeat the same exercise of looking at all the messages and pulling relevant quotes, but you know what? If you can’t be arsed to read, then I can’t be arsed to hold your hand and do it for you. I’ve done it once in this reply and that’s more than enough.
No, I don’t “pretend to know the answer to everything”. I’ve presented my own opinions and I’ve tried to make sure it’s clear that they’re my own views, rather than facts.
Here’s the thing: I don’t have a problem that we disagree, I have a problem with you adopting the “I’m right, you’re wrong, stop talking to me” attitude. You’ve been doing that right from the start. I’ve tried explaining patiently why I disagree and you kept coming back with the same dismissive attitude.
If you don’t like that I “attack” you for it, tough. You’re on a public forum. It doesn’t take a “forum sage” to understand what that means. You’re free to disagree with me on something. You’re free to not want to discuss it with me and ignore what I reply to you. You’re not free to essentially tell me to shut up and move on.
Okay, I imagine you meant “sapient”, rather than “sentient”, so I won’t quibble about that. But dude, even I know “sapient” and “intelligent” aren’t the same thing, and English isn’t even my native language. Not only that, but “incorrect” doesn’t mean “stupid” (opposite of “intelligent”) or “unwise” (opposite of “sapient”). And to top that off, “I disagree with you” is not the same as “your argument is incorrect”.
To sum it up, you disagree with my views, therefore I’m wrong, which makes me stupid. But you’re not belligerent or dismissive, you don’t have any biases, and you’re not telling everyone they’re wrong. Right.
Do you even know what change you’re talking about? Many things changed since Arcos was first added to the game, but there are only two changes that are relevant to his dialogue:
Going north became less dangerous, because Funcom worked on smoothing out the difficulty over the years. I’ve already described what the Exiled Lands looked like back in 2017 and 2018.
The highlands, the frozen north, and the volcano got added to the game. Ironically, this makes Arcos’ line about “cities” right, where before it was wrong. Before these were added, there was only one city of Exiles, and that was Sepermeru. Everything else, including the Summoning Place, is a camp, rather than a city. But after the change, you have Sepermeru, New Asagarth, and Mounds of the Dead.
So no, I’m not “celebrating what is obviously lazy coding”. I gave you my reasons for why I think that Arcos’ dialogue is fine. Like others, I think you’re misrepresenting that line as some sort of a command, or at least a suggestion that is much stronger than it actually is. On top of that, I think that it’s okay to for Arcos to give new players “bad” advice, because I disagree with you on how likely they are to stubbornly cling to a frustrating course of action, rather than recognizing they’re outmatched and pivoting to a better strategy.
But feel free to keep misrepresenting what I said.
Yes. And if you don’t take the chance to learn that you shouldn’t go everywhere you like without preparing, regardless of whether an NPC gave you that idea or not, then you’re not growing.
The first NPC ! Everything depends or or start your game.
If I start west and go straight to the broken bridge, the first non -hostile NPC encountered is the priest of Yog.
If I start the part on the Spawn in the East is that I continue towards the East, the first NPC I meet is that of the ruin of the wind.
Even if the NPC that you quote you tell you to go to the north, it does not have an order from him, just a conversation. Once the river has crossed the threat that the hiynes and the dafaris represents, an intelligent player understands that he does not have the level required and walks rear to the experience and the adequate equipment to go more far . If in an NPC camp would die in two times, you don’t insist, you came back later
Why are you even worried about Arcos the Wanderer telling you go some some amorphous place in the “north” (but does not actually tell you WHERE in the north to go mind you). As soon as you create your character you have a big arse lore stone telling you to “follow the road, any road, all roads lead to the city”. Want to know where those roads lead to, and what city that lore stone is directing you to go to? You got it, as soon as you create you character and are just a level 1 little nooblet without even a spec of clothing or weaponry they are telling you to go to THE UNNAMED CITY! And you are sitting here worried about Arcos the Wanderer?
