Beastmaster Teimos broken! balance?

And you are probably one of those who do not need anything of this, you just need to run quickly, stun 20 Teimos and raise the level? Why do we need the rest of the slaves from the top purge. That’s it.

This is true for a number of reasons, but not because he is strongest. Is he strong? Yes! But let’s not forget that proximity, speed to level and guaranteed spawn are the main factors here. In PvP, 80% of the players will make a trek to the Buccaneer Bay to get their black silk and proximity makes Teimos a smart choice. He is also a fast leveler which adds more benefit in PvP because we are prone to lose our thralls quickly. A guaranteed spawn also means I can grab one anytime, while fetching more black silk. These factors make Teimos the smartest choice, not the strongest thrall.

Here is some food for thought. Lian is also a guaranteed spawn. If they buffed Lian to have the exact same stats as Teimos (starting health, damage multiplier, HP growth rate), you would still see 80% of the PvP community running with Teimos due to his proximity mentioned above.

You repeatedly compare Teimos to purge thralls. I agree that purge thralls have been needing some love for a long time. However, that does not warrant nerfing Teimos. If you want a thrall to beat Teimos, go KO a Relic Hunter.

  • They are guaranteed spawns and very easy to get (Unnamed city or Wine Cellar).
  • They have the same melee damage multiplier as Dalinsia, 2.22% (Teimos is 2.08%)
  • They will average 9.5k HP at level 20 (Teimos averages 11.5k).
  • However, they are slow levelers (like Dalinsia), and in PvP a slow leveler is not always the best choice, even if it will kill a Teimos 8 out of 10 times.

Instead of asking for Teimos to be nerfed, perhaps you should be asking for a buff to purge thralls? They are currently just a trophy thrall, not very practical for fighting. But perhaps, that’s the way Funcom wanted them, who am I to say. :man_shrugging:

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Please tell me, before the nerf of the slaves, when the starting amount of HP and the increase in HP were reduced for them, did anyone use the Teimos? Hardly ever. Why buff what the developers themselves nerfed on purpose, They nerfed everyone, but forgot about Teimos, that’s the problem.

Teimos as been a popular thrall for over a year. So you’re either late to the party or sorely mistaken.

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Who told you that I was late? After the slaves from the volcano, with the Cimerian cleansing became useless, I only use teimos. Quite a long time. Hands have reached the forum only now.

Even if that were true – and it’s not – that would only be a further argument against nerfing Teimos. Tell me, how many players have you met who use Thugra for non-RP purposes? And a follow-up question: is it “good balance” to have T4s that nobody ever wants to use?

No, it’s not a problem. Even if you could somehow prove that they forgot to nerf him, as opposed to intentionally leaving him that way, that still wouldn’t somehow make it a problem.

It would be a problem if nobody ever bothered to get any other thrall. But just because one thrall is good cannon fodder, doesn’t mean that it’s a strictly dominant choice. As others have pointed out, there are several other options with their pros and cons. People still go with those options, all the time.

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You seem to be playing on pve or rp servers, since you claim that there is a choice, but there is no choice, this is a top slave. Go and play pvp and see who is using whom. Which is easier, to balance all the slaves? Or just one?

Other people who also play on PVP servers have already said you were wrong about that. More than one of them.

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Okay, I didn’t come here to argue. My topic is not the only one about teimos. The only pity is that the developers do not care. They also do not care that Cimerian slaves appeared on the siptah, who are many times stronger than all the slaves on the map … But that’s another topic.
https://forums.funcom.com/t/is-it-true-beastmaster-teimos-is-op/141415/16?u=aggressivenatali

You have your own opinions on this matter, we have ours. Apparently someone just wants easy prey, really. Why do I need such a huge selection of slaves, which are hard to get, if there is a teimos that surpasses them all in HP and damage, eh …

If you got your wish, and they nerfed Teimos into the ground, the PvP community would just have a new favorite thrall (based on ease of obtaining, speed of leveling, and proximity to other tasks). Probably the Relic Hunter.

Answer this…
Does it really matter which thrall 80% of the PvP community gravitates toward? Inevitably, 80% of PvP players have the same goals, which means we will use the same thrall because it makes the most since for our needs. So again, does it matter which thrall that happens to be?

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Except he doesn’t “surpass them all in HP and damage”. And yeah, I can see you didn’t come here to argue, since freaking facts mean nothing to you… :man_facepalming:

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The only thing that matters is that the rest of the slaves in this game are not needed.

What are the facts? Open your eyes, go to the server, play conan. A month, two, three. Look what this slave is doing, with the top slaves from the purge and the rest. a slave who gets it in 5 minutes, or a rare, best-performing purge fighter. Fair huh?

Maybe not for you, but the game was not made just for you. There are PvE communities and Roll Play Communities that use a very wide selection of those thralls. And BTW, I am one of the 20% that uses Relic Hunters in PvP, so I prefer that you continue to use Teimos so I can crush you in battle. Mwahahaahaaa! :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

  • Please stop comparing Teimos to purge thralls. Purge thralls are trophy thralls with roughly 1.5 melee multiplier. They are not even in the same category.
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Open your eyes, go to the wiki, read the values extracted from the DevKit. Those are the facts. The cold, hard numbers prove false your claims about Teimos surpassing all other thralls in both health and damage.

And that’s as far as I’m willing to go with this thread. I’ve had my fill of arguing with people like you on these forums. The numbers are there, you can deny them all you want based on your subjective anecdata from the servers you played on.

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I like how you posted a thread that turned out exactly like this one as some kind of evidence.

So now you have two separate threads almost a year apart with the same message. That message? You are mistaken.

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I use Thugra and don’t even have a Teimos. I like RP but I’m not on a RP server.

But I like to limit my thralls a lot. I only allow myself 1 of any named combat thralls. I also have several of the sinners refuge combat thralls that are pretty weak. I don’t take any of them out when going to very dangerous places, but even weak named thralls do fine for most content

I’m not saying BMT needs a nerf by any means, just defending poor Thugra :upside_down_face:

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I stand corrected. There are non-RP reasons to pick Thugra :wink:

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The OP comes back after 10 months to complain about something that has been the same for a lot longer than 10 months. I agree, this is a salty post after getting wreked.
Some excellent PVP players on this thread have totally debased your argument.
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What is the increase in HP for Dalinsia, for example? What is the increase in HP per level for Teimos? You saw? Who is harder to find? Who is swinging slower?

Why does a slave that spawns 50% chance, 1 point strength and 3k hp at the start kill all other slaves? Why can I go there naked and just take it with arrows? So simple? Is this normal in your opinion? Don’t you think that his respawn needs to be made at least the same as that of Dalinsia? And then too strong a slave just like that, for free.